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Wareham to Weymouth overrunning engineering works. 13-15/5

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Oh dear.......

Due to overrunning engineering works between Weymouth and Wareham all lines are closed.

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 15/05/18.

A Network Rail engineering train has broken down between Wareham and Weymouth.

This specialised train was being used to replace a section of the track and must be fixed on site. Until this train is fixed, the missing section of track cannot be relaid. Network Rail engineers are working hard to rectify the issue but, the track may not be fully replaced until Wednesday 16 May. As a result, no services can run between Weymouth and Wareham in either direction on Monday 14 May.

We advise that you avoid travel between Wareham and Weymouth unless absolutely essential on Monday 14 May, and continue checking for updates on Tuesday 15 May.

We will be running a very limited replacement bus transport between Weymouth and Wareham. Your rail tickets will also be accepted on First Wessex X54 bus services between Weymouth and Wareham.
 
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If I understood correctly from other things I seen about this the actual location of the problem is close to Weymouth at Upwey
 
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The engineering work was booked to renew rail (the last few hundred remaining metres of jointed track between Waterloo and Weymouth)) on the down line just after Dorchester junction. The failed train must be in the down line and I guess is that big bit of kit that lifts sleepers, renews ballast and puts new sleepers and rail down all at once. The up line appears to be free of trains and both swr and gwr intend running 1 train each from Weymouth tomorrow morning according to their respective journey check websites. Both swr and gwr have had a unit each berthed in Weymouth sidings over the weekend.

What I can't understand is why single line working over the up line can't be implemented tomorrow and maybe Tuesday/weds between Dorchester south and Weymouth. This would allow a Weymouth to Dorchester shuttle service to run all day with London train turning back at Dorchester south and Bristol trains turning back at Dorchester west.

Instead swr are just issuing the normal panic mode 'onky travel if absolutely necessary' warning rather than implementation of a solution which is catered for by the rule book and most people would prefer.
 
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theironroad said:
The engineering work was booked to renew rail (the last few hundred remaining metres of jointed track between Waterloo and Weymouth)) on the down line just after Dorchester junction. The failed train must be in the down line and I guess is that big bit of kit that lifts sleepers, renews ballast and puts new sleepers and rail down all at once. The up line appears to be free of trains and both swr and gwr intend running 1 train each from Weymouth tomorrow morning according to their respective journey check websites. Both swr and gwr have had a unit each berthed in Weymouth sidings over the weekend.

What I can't understand is why single line working over the up line can't be implemented tomorrow and maybe Tuesday/weds between Dorchester south and Weymouth. This would allow a Weymouth to Dorchester shuttle service to run all day with London train turning back at Dorchester south and Bristol trains turning back at Dorchester west.

Instead swr are just issuing the normal panic mode 'onky travel if absolutely necessary' warning rather than implementation of a solution which is catered for by the rule book and most people would prefer.
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Just a thought... maybe to repair the engineering train requires a line block to be taken of the up line?
 
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Once upon a time replacements would have run via Yeovil........
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Is that when the trains were run with diesel engines and unpowered trailer units? With the best will in the world getting 444s to go via Yeovil might be a bit difficult (and I'd guess that Weymouth to Southampton and points East is only part of the demand affected by this).
 
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The RBS enables a Dorchester eastbound passenger to travel at xx.54 instead of xx.33 and pick up that same service which, instead, is reversing at Wareham departing at xx.53. Thus, get up half an hour earlier. I just wonder how many buses are laid on. I often get the xx.33 and about a bus load get on. One would not want to be the one left behind!
The reason why a weekend job now will take until Wednesday is not entirely clear. I wonder what they mean by 'broken down train'. Normally, if the engine failed, one might expect another to be sent. It must be far more complicated than that.
 
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If it's a track renewal train then various parts of it replace the ballast/sleepers/rails, so as it moves forward onto the old track it leaves new track behind it (this is a simplification, it may only be replacing some parts of the track system). However the track under the middle part of the train is incomplete or non-existent, so if it breaks down while working it can't just be dragged out because there is no track to drag it over. Conceivably it could be craned out section by section but that might take longer than fixing it, and would still leave a gap in the track that would have to be reinstated by traditional methods before trains could run.
 
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HowardGWR said:
The RBS enables a Dorchester eastbound passenger to travel at xx.54 instead of xx.33 and pick up that same service which, instead, is reversing at Wareham departing at xx.53. Thus, get up half an hour earlier. I just wonder how many buses are laid on. I often get the xx.33 and about a bus load get on. One would not want to be the one left behind!
The reason why a weekend job now will take until Wednesday is not entirely clear. I wonder what they mean by 'broken down train'. Normally, if the engine failed, one might expect another to be sent. It must be far more complicated than that.
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The xx.53 from Wareham appears (from National Rail Enquiries) to not be running Wareham - Bournemouth, so it is necessary to get the xx.28. I'm on the bus now and it is certainly not full.
 
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JonathanH said:
Is that when the trains were run with diesel engines and unpowered trailer units? With the best will in the world getting 444s to go via Yeovil might be a bit difficult (and I'd guess that Weymouth to Southampton and points East is only part of the demand affected by this).
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Nothing to stop a 158/159 running Waterloo-Yeovil-Weymouth
Or an HST running Paddington-Yeovil-Weymouth

Of course we used to have a joined-up railway where things like that could - and would - happen
 
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randyrippley said:
Nothing to stop a 158/159 running Waterloo-Yeovil-Weymouth
Or an HST running Paddington-Yeovil-Weymouth

Of course we used to have a joined-up railway where things like that could - and would - happen
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Route knowledge for a start (comparatively few crews sign Pen Mill-Weymouth); not to mention that it would be around a 3 hour detour over single track lines delaying a large number of other services. Let’s not forget that West Dorset is not overrun with travellers on a Monday in school exam season; and that Weymouth to Wareham is not a long bus (or indeed car, as many people have been driving to Wareham and parking) journey. It might be nice for enthusiasts to sit on a 159 doing rare track for nigh on five hours instead of the usual 2h50; but to the average punter? Not so much. A “joined up railway” solution is not always the practical one.
Also can confirm that the reason SLW was not put in place was because the up line was required for the machine to be repaired and for work to continue.
 
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SWR have been running a daily ecs service Salisbury-Yeovil -Weymouth for some months in preparation for the summer Saturday service. As a result most Salisbury train crew will know the route.
Interestingly SWR ran an additional service to Yeovil Junction last night and is doing so again today, but not Wednesday. Timed from Waterloo at 21.20.
 
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godfreycomplex said:
Also can confirm that the reason SLW was not put in place was because the up line was required for the machine to be repaired and for work to continue.
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Do you know what's wrong with the machine? They knew Sunday night that it wouldn't be ready until Wednesday morning or has it now been repaired and just finishing the track?
 
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Bradshaw said:
SWR have been running a daily ecs service Salisbury-Yeovil -Weymouth for some months in preparation for the summer Saturday service. As a result most Salisbury train crew will know the route.
Interestingly SWR ran an additional service to Yeovil Junction last night and is doing so again today, but not Wednesday. Timed from Waterloo at 21.20.
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One or two links only I believe. If it was the whole of Salisbury depot it would be at least twice daily
Plus it would only be able to get to Dorchester West anyway
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Do you know what's wrong with the machine? They knew Sunday night that it wouldn't be ready until Wednesday morning or has it now been repaired and just finishing the track?
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Fuel injector fault I believe
 
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godfreycomplex said:
One or two links only I believe. If it was the whole of Salisbury depot it would be at least twice daily
Plus it would only be able to get to Dorchester West anyway

Fuel injector fault I believe
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Interesting, thanks.

Seem swr Twitter are telling people now that work was at Moreton...:

"The line up from Weymouth was open briefly on Monday morning to allow trains that were berthed in Weymouth over the weekend to depart and enter service. The engineering works are at Moreton so trains are unable to go down as far as Dorchester South. ^MB"

Interestingly, the OTT map attached shows a T3 possession on the up from Weymouth through to wool, so maybe there's more than 1 thing going on here?Screenshot_2018-05-15-10-52-34.png
 
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It was an NTC vehicle that had a fuel injector failure, they had to wait for a similar unit to return from a possession to Acton yard, where the part was borrowed, it was removed Monday breakfast time and driven to site from Acton which was about 150 minutes drive. Once fitted the machine managed to get going again around 13:00 on the 14th. Not exactly sure why trains couldn’t reach Dorchester south. Only soloution I can think of was that it was easier to extend the original T3 than to apply for a new, smaller T3?
 
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A rather alarming-sounding automated announcement was being played at Bournemouth station at Monday teatime... "...Wareham, where this service will terminate, overrunning engineering works."
 
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