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Northern rolling stock changes post electrification

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Bevan Price

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Oh right, it’s normally a 319 operation then?
No it is for 323 crew training purposes. Don't know if it is true, but I heard that one of the driver-trainers had been unwell. I suspect it could now be difficult training enough Liverpool crews to operate 323s before the May timetable changes.
 
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I thought people didnt want cast offs from the south? Its been the mantra on here for a good few years now

Some people are just too picky! Anything to help pick up the slack with the refurbs ongoing would help
 

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5Z50 to 5Z55 are scheduled to operate SSuX 05/03/18 to 18/05/18, but no-one has reported any of them running prior to Monday of this week, when they all ran. They don't appear to have operated since.
They are presumed to be for the
purpose of familiarisation of crews on 323s. The fact that they are 'timed' for 319s is immaterial.

There have been some STP working to Crewe instead (5Z01/02 ran) which also adds as a route refresh for Lime St instructors between Liverpool South Parkway & Crewe.
 

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Has a 323 ever been to Preston before in the history of the class (well before the past two or three weeks)? Id say that is something of a turn up for the books especially as they wont be around in the not too distant future.
 

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Some people are just too picky! Anything to help pick up the slack with the refurbs ongoing would help
I did mention this in another thread - just imagine if certain trains had been given the go ahead to fill the gap whilst works were on going on certain lines in the north which couldve given the extra capacity aswell as letting other trains go off for a refurb which then couldve gone off elsewhere eh? the possibilities wouldve been tremendous.

But the more vociferous from certain parts simply wanted to wait 6/7 years for new trains and now complain about trains not being refurb quickly - its amazing to read
 

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Wasn't it 158's and 350's?

323s were regulars on the Brum-Liverpools until May 1998, when the through Liverpool-Brum-Stansted service was created (thus was 158s).

I think 158s were then de-rigeur after the service was re-split at Brum, until the 350s were introduced c. 2005.

The Preston working was a 2004 SRA 'innovation', I understand, so may have seen a 158 in the early days. But almost certainly never a 323.
 

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323s were regulars on the Brum-Liverpools until May 1998, when the through Liverpool-Brum-Stansted service was created (thus was 158s).

I think 158s were then de-rigeur after the service was re-split at Brum, until the 350s were introduced c. 2005.

The Preston working was a 2004 SRA 'innovation', I understand, so may have seen a 158 in the early days. But almost certainly never a 323.

SRA envisaged an hourly Birmingham-Preston stopper using 350s but there were problems obtaining paths. That was after Virgin laughed at their suggestion of 350s on alternate Manchester to Birmingham services to free up Voyagers for elsewhere. The token service that was introduced didn't stop between Crewe and Warrington, which kind of defeated the point of a slow service alongside a Virgin one as anyone from Acton Bridge, Hartford or Winsford still had to double back to travel north even if they travelled on that service.
 

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323s were regulars on the Brum-Liverpools until May 1998, when the through Liverpool-Brum-Stansted service was created (thus was 158s).

I think 158s were then de-rigeur after the service was re-split at Brum, until the 350s were introduced c. 2005.

The Preston working was a 2004 SRA 'innovation', I understand, so may have seen a 158 in the early days. But almost certainly never a 323.

When the service was split, from my own memories and observations it was mostly 170s on the Birmingham - Liverpool, until as you say the 350s were introduced. There were still I believe some 323 in the peaks as well, including at one point through running from the cross city line.
A Crewe based LNWR guard has already pointed out that only Crewe signed Preston when the LM service went there, and they never signed 323s, therefore unless piloting was involved 323s at Preston will have never happened.
I have heard of a possibly apocryphal tale from Central Trains days however, of the time a set swap between Birmingham and Nottingham direction sets took place at Liverpool - which caused something of a problem when the Nottingham crew went down to the Platform after their PNB to find a 323 waiting to bring them home.....
 

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Thats right about the Central trains service .Mostly 170s and quite a few 158s, the 310s and then 323s did a few peak services. Do remember on occasions seeing a 323 optimistically on a Stansted service where there was obvs shortages of DMUs. Can still picture the moaning the guards would have had to put up with, when trying to explain why that particular train would require a change at New St.
 

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I agree with the comments that it isn't a shortage of EMUs that's the problem, they should already have enough for the current work considering that Preston - Bolton - Manchester was expected to be electric by now.
True but it does mean they can have double 319s to get large numbers of people from Manchester to Preston (for example) and take the pressure off the diesel services via Bolton.
 

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I agree with the comments that it isn't a shortage of EMUs that's the problem, they should already have enough for the current work considering that Preston - Bolton - Manchester was expected to be electric by now.
More 319s would be fine if we had the electrified lines to run them on; what's happening with Bolton - Wigan and Victoria - Stalybridge? I've seen only 319s on the Liverpool - Man Airport - Crewe service and I've been out and about for two days (a glutton for punishment). There's now a 323 going to Hazel Grove but Alderley Edge is a diesel service as it's linked to Wigan.
 

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When the service was split, from my own memories and observations it was mostly 170s on the Birmingham - Liverpool, until as you say the 350s were introduced. There were still I believe some 323 in the peaks as well, including at one point through running from the cross city line.
A Crewe based LNWR guard has already pointed out that only Crewe signed Preston when the LM service went there, and they never signed 323s, therefore unless piloting was involved 323s at Preston will have never happened.
I have heard of a possibly apocryphal tale from Central Trains days however, of the time a set swap between Birmingham and Nottingham direction sets took place at Liverpool - which caused something of a problem when the Nottingham crew went down to the Platform after their PNB to find a 323 waiting to bring them home.....
There were 323 services to Liverpool from Four Oaks.
 

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More 319s would be fine if we had the electrified lines to run them on; what's happening with Bolton - Wigan and Victoria - Stalybridge? I've seen only 319s on the Liverpool - Man Airport - Crewe service and I've been out and about for two days (a glutton for punishment). There's now a 323 going to Hazel Grove but Alderley Edge is a diesel service as it's linked to Wigan.

Have 323 been cleared to use the Chat Moss route ? I heard a story about a clearance "problem" in the Patricroft area.

Some 319s have reached Blackpool North from both Liverpool & Manchester Airport -- but on Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday this week, a lot of these trains were cancelled.
 

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Have 323 been cleared to use the Chat Moss route ? I heard a story about a clearance "problem" in the Patricroft area.

Some 319s have reached Blackpool North from both Liverpool & Manchester Airport -- but on Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday this week, a lot of these trains were cancelled.
Plenty of 319s in Blackpool North on Tuesday. Between 1300 and 1400 there were 319367/74/80/81 in the station.
 

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Have 323 been cleared to use the Chat Moss route ? I heard a story about a clearance "problem" in the Patricroft area.
Some 319s have reached Blackpool North from both Liverpool & Manchester Airport -- but on Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday this week, a lot of these trains were cancelled.

323s have certainly reached Liverpool from Manchester, and have been tested from Liverpool as far as Preston.
Haven't seen any in passenger service though.
 

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Are the 2 remaining 319/3s (372 & 373) coming too it seems logical as all the others are with Northern also ignore the first version of this I forgot to quote the extra 319s coming

It would make sense I agree, but I'm sure we'll find out soon.

319446 has already arrived, but I think this might be one of the extra three units to be converted into 769s.
 

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There have been some STP working to Crewe instead (5Z01/02 ran) which also adds as a route refresh for Lime St instructors between Liverpool South Parkway & Crewe.
There have been some STP working to Crewe instead (5Z01/02 ran) which also adds as a route refresh for Lime St instructors between Liverpool South Parkway & Crewe.
What does STP mean please?
 
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