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I think that's fair enough, to be honest. Some of the comments I've seen directed at Northern's social media have been utterly disgraceful.
But that's not what the article is about. I don't think anyone has a problem with them blocking people who are dishing abuse. But they do block people for giving accurate advice to passengers who have been misinformed by the company as they classify this as "disrupting conversations". Others have been blocked for complaining too often. And that's totally wrong.

Twitter also has the functionality for users to be "muted" rather than "blocked"; there is no justifiable reason for Northern to have blocked some of the people who they have blocked. The company risks bringing the industry into disrepute by acting this way.
 
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Others have been blocked for complaining too often. And that's totally wrong.

Yes it is wrong, if people complain in a polite manner.

However, I think if they do it in a rude and aggressive manner on a regular basis, then they should be blocked.
 

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Yes, but the argument is about whether or not people who are not being aggressive or using inappropriate language should be blocked.

If they do not want to see someone who complains regularly, but that person does not get abusive, then they should either use "mute" or simply choose not to respond.

Likewise if they do not want to listen to anyone who corrects them with correct information when they have posted something that is incorrect; either "mute" or just don't respond if they don't like being corrected.

Blocking people who are not being threatening/abusive is not acceptable.
 

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I’ve had experience with both GTR and Northern teams, and I find despite the GTR team having a much higher workload, they always seem to be more helpful than those at Northern. GTR you will get a reply in a matter of minutes, and they’ll always seem genuine about it compared to Northern where it seems so ‘faceless’.

Perhaps moving Social Media back in house, in the Control room, would be a good start?

Our social media is in house and is based in Control, though we report to Communications

The reason you may not be getting a response straight away is that (until last week) there's usually only one person on at once. Until last week we also have other responsibilities around creating content for the feed - both in terms of adverts/promotional material and the quizzes and games we do (which is all currently on hold due to the increased number of messages)

The expectation has been that we spend around half an hour every hour on creating content, and half an hour responding - except at peak time when we're concentrating on the feed. As a result our targets are set very differently - whereas some TOC teams work to average response time (i.e. how long for a response from the moment the message comes in), we work to average handling time (i.e. how long it takes for us to deal with it from first picking it up)

With other companies, including GTR from what I know, the advisors are solely responsible for the feed, with creative responsibilities lying with another team. So I would argue that we have a much higher workload than you'd think
 

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Yes the disreputable and dubious policy decisions, and the poor response times are not the fault of the dedicated individual staff members, who do a good job under challenging circumstances, but the appalling management at the company.

I very much doubt they will listen to their staff, members of this forum, editors at Which? or indeed anyone else, sadly. But if the management are reading this... please do prove me wrong and change your ways.
 

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Our social media is in house and is based in Control, though we report to Communications

The reason you may not be getting a response straight away is that (until last week) there's usually only one person on at once. Until last week we also have other responsibilities around creating content for the feed - both in terms of adverts/promotional material and the quizzes and games we do (which is all currently on hold due to the increased number of messages)

The expectation has been that we spend around half an hour every hour on creating content, and half an hour responding - except at peak time when we're concentrating on the feed. As a result our targets are set very differently - whereas some TOC teams work to average response time (i.e. how long for a response from the moment the message comes in), we work to average handling time (i.e. how long it takes for us to deal with it from first picking it up)

With other companies, including GTR from what I know, the advisors are solely responsible for the feed, with creative responsibilities lying with another team. So I would argue that we have a much higher workload than you'd think
That certainly explains it - with GTR often having 2-3 advisors on the feed at once with an equivalent amount of services. Is there a lack of interest in social media roles at Northern or is it just cost efficiencies making it easier to group promotional content with social media? If it is the latter, I think Northern do need to consider investing more in the 'customer experience' size of things.
 

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That certainly explains it - with GTR often having 2-3 advisors on the feed at once with an equivalent amount of services. Is there a lack of interest in social media roles at Northern or is it just cost efficiencies making it easier to group promotional content with social media? If it is the latter, I think Northern do need to consider investing more in the 'customer experience' size of things.

Well, the social media team always was a group of one team leader plus three advisors from when it was set up under the previous franchise - the only reason we have a fourth is because I've been kept on on a temporary contract since the tail end of last year. But of course the number of messages we get in now is vastly more than it was when the team was set up, and the creative responsibilities have been added in the last year or so as well. I'm hopeful that with the further large increase in messages in the last week, which I can't see going away any time soon, we'll see more resource. Certainly I think everyone involved recognises that if we keep getting 2,000-4,000 messages every weekday for the foreseeable future, you can't continue to have just one person on for most of the day - you'd need two for nearly the entire day and probably three during peak times just to keep somewhere close to on top of the volume coming in
 

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Well, the social media team always was a group of one team leader plus three advisors from when it was set up under the previous franchise - the only reason we have a fourth is because I've been kept on on a temporary contract since the tail end of last year. But of course the number of messages we get in now is vastly more than it was when the team was set up, and the creative responsibilities have been added in the last year or so as well. I'm hopeful that with the further large increase in messages in the last week, which I can't see going away any time soon, we'll see more resource. Certainly I think everyone involved recognises that if we keep getting 2,000-4,000 messages every weekday for the foreseeable future, you can't continue to have just one person on for most of the day - you'd need two for nearly the entire day and probably three during peak times just to keep somewhere close to on top of the volume coming in

It would make sense, certainly. It would probably help you guys a lot if the creative roles remained with a marketing team, allowing you to focus on the social media side of things. Hope things get better in terms of resource!
 

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The people manning social media accounts should have the same powers as the people who handle emails, calls and snail mail. If they can only relay information to/from a customer care department they're much less effective than they can possibly be.
True, but a lot of TOC Twitter feeds come from Marketing departments, not Customer Relations any more.
I haven't noticed any TOCs that have split feeds (IE, corporate/marketing and customer service separate).

Hence the disconnection with many of them.
 

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It's ironic we're seeing the same questions asked again and again despite answers being given. I'm sure readers will agree this is quite annoying, and rather familiar...

I think one of the reasons this thread has gone around in circles quite so much is that there is a distinct lack of examples.

I don't think anyone is going to begrudge a single calm, constructive reply pointing out an issue with a TOC response. Repeatedly coming back for more on the same conversation, particularly when the original tweeter hasn't expressed any interest in the alternative view is clearly almost entirely unhelpful.
 

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True, but a lot of TOC Twitter feeds come from Marketing departments, not Customer Relations any more.
I haven't noticed any TOCs that have split feeds (IE, corporate/marketing and customer service separate).

Hence the disconnection with many of them.
TransPennine Express have two feeds - @TPExpressTrains is their marketing one, @TPEAssist is customer service. ScotRail are similar @myscotrail is marketing, @scotrail is customer service. There is sometimes a bit of crossover between the two if people tweet the wrong ones.

The favourite just now for Northern is people tweeting @GNRailUK (e.g. the Great Northern part of Govia Thameslink) instead of @northernassist - clearly a mistaken identity, but, nonetheless, you'd think people would notice the somewhat different names.
 

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Yes the disreputable and dubious policy decisions, and the poor response times are not the fault of the dedicated individual staff members, who do a good job under challenging circumstances, but the appalling management at the company.

One problem Northern seem to have is taking a First In First Out approach and trying to respond directly to all tweets, which ends up with almost everyone getting responses but very few of the responses being received in time. If lots of people are asking the same question they should, tweet once (not in direct reply to anyone) explaining the situation and then do a quick glance through to see if anyone has asked for further information e.g. about what happens if they miss their connection, rather than tweeting the same information multiple times.

I also think they should be training passengers to use apps, the Journey Check site and train and station staff (where available) as a first point of call and to use them if they have a question which can't be answered by one of those means.
 

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The favourite just now for Northern is people tweeting @GNRailUK (e.g. the Great Northern part of Govia Thameslink) instead of @northernassist - clearly a mistaken identity, but, nonetheless, you'd think people would notice the somewhat different names.

That's probably down to Twitter's suggestions if someone searches for 'Northern Rail'. If you search for 'Northern' then @northernassist is the top response but if you search for 'Northern Rail' then @GNRailUK (Great Northern) comes top. Some people also direct responses at @NRE_Northern in a way which suggests they think @NRE_Northern is the company running the trains.
 

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One problem Northern seem to have is taking a First In First Out approach and trying to respond directly to all tweets, which ends up with almost everyone getting responses but very few of the responses being received in time. If lots of people are asking the same question they should, tweet once (not in direct reply to anyone) explaining the situation and then do a quick glance through to see if anyone has asked for further information e.g. about what happens if they miss their connection, rather than tweeting the same information multiple times.

I also think they should be training passengers to use apps, the Journey Check site and train and station staff (where available) as a first point of call and to use them if they have a question which can't be answered by one of those means.

Your certainly onto to something there there's far too many people whose default setting is to go to social media instead of engaging their brain and using what is actually already around them. I suspect most TOC's Twitter feeds are clogged up with things that the answer is readily available from other sources. I've seen passengers getting distreessed about getting a signal for their mobile phones when the info there after is on a CIS screen ten feet from them or me. It always amazes me when we get people turn up a few minutes after a train has departed on time they're immediate reaction is to get their phone out.
 

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It always amazes me when we get people turn up a few minutes after a train has departed on time they're immediate reaction is to get their phone out.

If someone has missed a train and is going to arrive somewhere late because of it, I would expect them to get out their mobile phone but to contact someone they know or someone they are planning to meet.
 

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Must admit if I ran a company Twitter feed and I had a customer regularly posting antagonist posts ... costing me money to deal with, I would block them to ... they don't have to use my service if they do not like it.

If the service is so bad you need to regularly complain ... there are other travel modes.
 

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Must admit if I ran a company Twitter feed and I had a customer regularly posting antagonist posts ... costing me money to deal with, I would block them to ... they don't have to use my service if they do not like it.

If the service is so bad you need to regularly complain ... there are other travel modes.

A train operator are an essential public service running a contract on behalf of the government. They shouldn't have a Ryanair approach of if the customer is wrong they need to be told to **** off. (What O'Leary once said.)
 

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I noticed on one Twitter feed lately, there is one person that pops up everytime there’s a cancellation posted out, they instantly jump on it, going “Again?!” or “Disgraceful service” now the chances are unless they are travelling on every train that happens to be cancelled in a 24 hour period, comments like that aren’t constructive, they’re not abusive, and maybe correct to point out the level of service but it doesn’t help, us pointless and borders on the obsessive, I’d immediately be hitting the block button.
 

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Personally if someone is pushing their luck I think a DM should be sent if possible with a cut and paste message saying that they are breaching the TOCs twitter charter or whatever they want to call it and that any further instances may result in a block without notice. Add a link in to the charter and explain that if they wish to query it this should be directed to customer services who will respond in the normal fashion.

The thread disruption is annoying though particularly if it contradicts what the MOS on the Twitter feed is saying. The odd interjection isn’t an issue but there are several people who seem to enjoy jumping in on threads answering queries, correcting staff and at times slagging the TOC off when the passenger is already hacked off. In situations like that I can completely understand why people are blocked.
 

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If someone has missed a train and is going to arrive somewhere late because of it, I would expect them to get out their mobile phone but to contact someone they know or someone they are planning to meet.

Rarely do I see voice communication , nor does it seem to be text either given the way they interact with the mobile device. Its like there searching for some sort of validation/ explanation /way out which of course never happens. The next train is always another 55 minutes or hour and 55 minutes and rarely to they appreciate being told the 09xx left on time as scheduled..... some people simply cant read and understand train timetables
and no amount of playing with their phones s going to change that.
 

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Must admit if I ran a company Twitter feed and I had a customer regularly posting antagonist posts ... costing me money to deal with, I would block them to ... they don't have to use my service if they do not like it.

If the service is so bad you need to regularly complain ... there are other travel modes.
If the service is so bad you need to regularly complain ... It's time for another operator.
 

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Social media can be a useful, even powerful tool for both consumers & companies alike. I've certainly used social media to resolve issues, and both gain & pass on important information. But like much of the net these days, it can & does get abused by the serial moaners, trolls & outright nasty people. I've witnessed how some users have repeated trolled & spammed the Twitter team at Northern and frankly I don't blame them for ultimately blocking some. At the end of the day, and as mentioned up-thread, the feed is not a requirement but an attempt to make an additional contact media available to passengers to pass on information & try to resolve live problems. The T&Cs are theirs and if users repeatedly break these then Northern are quite within their rights to simply block without comment (indeed I'm sure the same would be true on this forum!). Anyone that has run a forum or social media group will tell you that there are always people trying to be awkward, disrupt and even provoke, and so rules have to be in place to prevent these things getting out of hand.

As for the suggestion that Northern simply mute users / conversations, well as already explained they use a third party software package that allows them to manage all social media feeds, gather analytics etc. I've not used this particular one myself but have seen similar packages and the point of these is to be able to quickly respond (depending on demand) to queries & comments, keep easy track of ongoing conversations, and make sure that threads do not get out of control. And because of the latter the mute option simply isn't one you would want or use as a company or organisation. Northern, and indeed any company running media feeds need to be aware where threads are going off-topic, where conflict is emerging and indeed where inappropriate behaviour is occurring. Whilst it might seem to some like a good idea to constantly try to correct responses from the thread owners, in actual fact this is a form of trolling as such responses are not official and can often result in confusion for a passenger is seeking advice, especially where the third party advice is not entirely accurate. This is why constantly spamming their feeds with "advice" could lead to being blocked, just as you might expect to get thrown out of a ticket office if you constantly heckled the staff about selling the "wrong" tickets.
 

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A train operator are an essential public service running a contract on behalf of the government. They shouldn't have a Ryanair approach of if the customer is wrong they need to be told to **** off. (What O'Leary once said.)
While I agree to an extent, there is a significant problem in that if people aren't brought down to earth, they start to think they are God and should be treated like a King or Queen.

I'm abrupt sometimes, and that comes across as rude because people aren't used to being spoken to in a direct way.
For example I spoke to a customer once who was disappointed in an answer I gave. They then turned on me and said I wasn't giving good service. I replied and suggested I was giving good service but it was the answer they didn't like.
I appreciate I am the bearer of bad news but that doesn't mean I should be told I'm doing a rubbish job. I'm doing an excellent job by giving them the correct answer.

People should learn to treat others with respect, even if they are receiving an answer that is not what they want.

I don't agree with blocking people under normal circumstances. But if the person is becoming more and more disruptive and ignoring them doesn't work, then it's the only choice.

Running a Twitter feed isn't directly specified in any contact I am aware of and so it's a privilege to get a reply, not a right.
 

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I'm abrupt sometimes, and that comes across as rude because people aren't used to being spoken to in a direct way.
For example I spoke to a customer once who was disappointed in an answer I gave. They then turned on me and said I wasn't giving good service. I replied and suggested I was giving good service but it was the answer they didn't like.
I appreciate I am the bearer of bad news but that doesn't mean I should be told I'm doing a rubbish job. I'm doing an excellent job by giving them the correct answer.

Giving the correct answer to a customer's query is just one part of good customer service. Your body language, the tone of your voice and the way you word your answer has more impact than just the answer itself.

There's also answering the question and going beyond answering the question e.g. if you're asked "Do you have any Sony X100 Headphones in stock?" but you don't you could respond with
"No, we're sold out of those"
"We don't have any Sony X100 in stock but we do have Samsung B200 which are similar in price and specification"
"We're sold off of those. I can check whether we're getting anymore in later in the week."
None of them are the wrong answer but some are a lot more useful than others.

I don't agree with blocking people under normal circumstances. But if the person is becoming more and more disruptive and ignoring them doesn't work, then it's the only choice.

But why block rather than mute? If you mute them they can still see service updates given on Twitter but their tweets don't get seen by those manning the feed.

Running a Twitter feed isn't directly specified in any contact I am aware of and so it's a privilege to get a reply, not a right.

Dangerous ground. The name of the twitter handle @NorthernAssist suggests they are there to assist passengers who need assistance, not that they'll provide a reply if you're lucky.
 
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But why block rather than mute? If you mute them they can still see service updates given on Twitter but their tweets don't get seen by those manning the feed.

As I suggested above, this is because people manning corporate feeds have to see every response to control them so that they don't go out of control. Left muted, posters / threads could easily descend into chaos & cause unnecessary upset, confusion or even anger to those people using the threads for legitimate purposes. I'm afraid social media with such large audiences cannot be left un-administrated, which in turn means that posters constantly breaking the rules (whether they agree with them or not) will usually be blocked. In the case of Northern, as pointed to above, users can contact Northern directly if they feel they have been unfairly blocked & discuss the matter with them. But the bottom line it is their site, and they can administer in whichever way they feel the most appropriate.
 

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Your certainly onto to something there there's far too many people whose default setting is to go to social media instead of engaging their brain and using what is actually already around them. I suspect most TOC's Twitter feeds are clogged up with things that the answer is readily available from other sources. I've seen passengers getting distreessed about getting a signal for their mobile phones when the info there after is on a CIS screen ten feet from them or me. It always amazes me when we get people turn up a few minutes after a train has departed on time they're immediate reaction is to get their phone out.

Of course the real reason there is quite often social media is the easiest and quickest way to get the information. It is fairly common for information regarding delays, cancellations, line closures etc to be available on social media well before it is available via other, more "official" sources.
 

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Giving the correct answer to a customer's query is just one part of good customer service. Your body language, the tone of your voice and the way you word your answer has more impact than just the answer itself.
True.
But I don't have time for people who waste my time.
Felt for the poor guy who was conversing with a customer. The customer said something like "I know the route, it's Leeds, then Sheffield, but can you print it out for me?". Why? The customer already knows the route! I bet if the staff said "it costs 50p for a print out" they wouldn't have bothered.

Or the person who asked "is that ticket machine ready", when it has the Windows loading screen on it. Why would someone even ask that?

It seems people can't do anything these days without having their hand held. I get some are not frequent travellers, but in the case of both of these, any adult should know the answer. Maybe they can't be bothered to process the information through their eyes.


I don't agree with blocking people under normal circumstances. But if the person is becoming more and more disruptive and ignoring them doesn't work, then it's the only choice.
But why block rather than mute? If you mute them they can still see service updates given on Twitter but their tweets don't get seen by those manning the feed.
While blocking does show a degree of agression, why shouldn't the company be a bit agressive? Seems strange but again, I circle round to the fact people shouldn't think they can say and do what they like to companies.
Amazon certainly don't care and delete peoples accounts if they feel the customer has broken the terms of their service.


Dangerous ground. The name of the twitter handle @NorthernAssist suggests they are there to assist passengers who need assistance, not that they'll provide a reply if you're lucky.
That's correct. But it also doesn't suggest the customer has a right to a reply.
I don't think @NorthernWe'llReplyIfWeWant or @NorthernWe'llReplyToNicePeopleOnly would work :P
Just because something is there, doesn't mean the company is going to use it all the time.

Good points though. +1 props to you :D
 

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Yes, but the argument is about whether or not people who are not being aggressive or using inappropriate language should be blocked.

If they do not want to see someone who complains regularly, but that person does not get abusive, then they should either use "mute" or simply choose not to respond.
Or not give them so much to complain about...
 
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