GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

43185 · 28 May 2018

Fair comments & can understand that decisions are made on purely sound engineering & commercial basis neither of which I have any knowledge or inside info on.
All I was told of 092 & 098 was that on that particular evening they were heading to SPM as that was all I asked a good friend of mine who has some access to this sort of info, I assume they only spent the night there then headed off to Wabtec the following morning ?

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43096 · 28 May 2018

43185 said:
Fair comments & can understand that decisions are made on purely sound engineering & commercial basis neither of which I have any knowledge or inside info on.
All I was told of 092 & 098 was that on that particular evening they were heading to SPM as that was all I asked a good friend of mine who has some access to this sort of info, I assume they only spent the night there then headed off to Wabtec the following morning ?

I was working on the basis that this was the train you saw (last Wednesday?) http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R70380/2018/05/23/advanced

43185 · 28 May 2018

43096 said:
I was working on the basis that this was the train you saw (last Wednesday?) http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R70380/2018/05/23/advanced

That looks like it was the train I saw & according to that it went straight up to Doncaster ?
I'll check with the guy I know as it's not unknown that he gets things wrong, he's had me standing down here near Nailsea before looking to get a pic of a new named or liveried train yet it's on a Plymouth service that goes via Newbury !!

DenmarkRail · 31 May 2018

The GWR 2+4 set is running with a FGW painted set on the front... the usual Cymru set was working a normal HST set today

Nozzacook · 31 May 2018

DenmarkRail said:
The GWR 2+4 set is running with a FGW painted set on the front... the usual Cymru set was working a normal HST set today

So does that mean notch 5 on the power handle isn't locked out if the power cars are interchanable with the rest of the fleet.

Dai Corner · 31 May 2018

Nozzacook said:
So does that mean notch 5 on the power handle isn't locked out if the power cars are interchanable with the rest of the fleet.

Hopefully someone who knows for sure will be along to confirm, but I've read somewhere that depot staff lock out notch 5 when they make up a GTi consist.

SteelWeelApeal · 31 May 2018

According to Mark Hopwood notch 5 not locked out. He could have meant not perminantly but think he means not at all. This was in a text message to my mother

Darandio · 31 May 2018

SteelWeelApeal said:
According to Mark Hopwood notch 5 not locked out. He could have meant not perminantly but think he means not at all. This was in a text message to my mother

Quite possibly the most surreal post i've seen here. o_O

matt · 31 May 2018

DenmarkRail said:
The GWR 2+4 set is running with a FGW painted set on the front... the usual Cymru set was working a normal HST set today

No it isn't. Some I know posted a photo of it at Plymouth earlier today.

DenmarkRail · 31 May 2018

matt said:
No it isn't. Some I know posted a photo of it at Plymouth earlier today.

Was just about to post that I was wrong. Must have seen it in the wrong light over the viaduct.

Sorry

co-tr-paul · 1 Jun 2018

GW01 still has green 016/187 on it. There is a full size green set with a blue one on one end though.
Notch 5 fully operational according to our fitters !

DenmarkRail · 1 Jun 2018

co-tr-paul said:
GW01 still has green 016/187 on it. There is a full size green set with a blue one on one end though.
Notch 5 fully operational according to our fitters !

Yep, I was completely wrong and saw the train in the wrong light... I was just on the 2x4 set... I don’t like trains with electric doors

paulwestwood · 1 Jun 2018

DenmarkRail said:
Yep, I was completely wrong and saw the train in the wrong light... I was just on the 2x4 set... I don’t like trains with electric doors

So far the only complaints have been why no Trolley Service or Buffet.

co-tr-paul · 1 Jun 2018

Its still a trial set......

TT-ONR-NRN · 2 Jun 2018

paulwestwood said:
So far the only complaints have been why no Trolley Service or Buffet.

These people clearly don’t realise that set is replacing a little Sprinter. :rolleyes:

hexagon789 · 3 Jun 2018

paulwestwood said:
So far the only complaints have been why no Trolley Service or Buffet.

I would think a trolley would not only be possible but a good idea surely?

paulwestwood · 3 Jun 2018

TT-ONR-NRN said:
These people clearly don’t realise that set is replacing a little Sprinter.

Also bear in mind when there are more available and end going to Cardiff, which the 150's do. Customers would and do appreciate the opportunity to get a drink. There are quite a few who already travel the whole route with no chance of any refreshments. Also people see it's a HST so expect some sort of service.

Parallel · 3 Jun 2018

There are a few GWR routes in the west that could probably do with refreshments, and I agree that Penzance - Exeter/Bristol/Cardiff is up there as I imagine there is a lot of long distance traffic, and little hospitality competition from many of the medium intermediate stations on the route. The HST-GTi would be the perfect stock to provide a basic level of catering on.

co-tr-paul · 4 Jun 2018

At some point, all mainline services over a certain length or time should have at least a trolley service. Can't remember details or timescale but will include PZ to PLY services.

D2007wsm · 4 Jun 2018

They could easy have used the mini buffets as vehicles for conversion for the relatively small number of seats lost. This would aloud a future catering provision to be provided for.

John R · 4 Jun 2018

D2007wsm said:
They could easy have used the mini buffets as vehicles for conversion for the relatively small number of seats lost. This would aloud a future catering provision to be provided for.

So have buffets on what will effectively be a few local services joined up mainly for operational convenience*, but have trolleys on London to Penzance and indeed all other HSS. That would be somewhat contradictory.
*albeit that it may attract some longer distance traffic.

DenmarkRail · 4 Jun 2018

John R said:
So have buffets on what will effectively be a few local services joined up mainly for operational convenience*, but have trolleys on London to Penzance and indeed all other HSS. That would be somewhat contradictory.
*albeit that it may attract some longer distance traffic.

The issue with a trolley over a buffet, is that when overcrowding is at its very worst, you end up with a static service at the end of the train somewhere... This is all very well, but I was on a XC voyager in FC, and because of overcrowding, I had to walk to the end of the train to get the free refreshments, because thats where the refreshments were - Although they could do tea / coffee in the small galley...

The XC HST has it right, where there is a mini buffet, where the entire service can be focused, without the need to have a trolley on one end of the train, which can't move at all when it runs out of hot water etc...

Anyway, my opinion doesnt matter, and an extra buffet in a 2x4 HST would screw everything up, as the 2x4 signs have been put everywhere along the mainline... grr

michael74 · 4 Jun 2018

I cant see the need for a trolley service on the Exeter to Penzance service, most passengers would not be travelling the full distance of the service.

D1009 · 4 Jun 2018

Parallel said:
There are a few GWR routes in the west that could probably do with refreshments, and I agree that Penzance - Exeter/Bristol/Cardiff is up there as I imagine there is a lot of long distance traffic, and little hospitality competition from many of the medium intermediate stations on the route. The HST-GTi would be the perfect stock to provide a basic level of catering on.

I wouldn't think the stopping trains convey a significant amount of long distance traffic, and there will be a regular service of fast trains with full catering for those who require it. Also
Dawlish, Teignmouth and Totnes stations all have independent cafés serving hot meals.

hexagon789 · 4 Jun 2018

Personally I'd go for a trolley, a buffet seems overkill especially as the IETs don't have one.

D2007wsm · 4 Jun 2018

John R said:
So have buffets on what will effectively be a few local services joined up mainly for operational convenience*, but have trolleys on London to Penzance and indeed all other HSS. That would be somewhat contradictory.
*albeit that it may attract some longer distance traffic.

They are there so why not use them, it is better to have a static base for catering rather than customers having to wait or try and find the trolley on a service.

The long distance services with the 800s and 802s are new trains and it would have cost more to have proper buffets built. Whereas there are loads of TMSBs allready which are going off lease.

It was tried before on the high density HSTs having a trolley operating out of a converted toilet, that didn't last long!

DenmarkRail said:
The issue with a trolley over a buffet, is that when overcrowding is at its very worst, you end up with a static service at the end of the train somewhere... This is all very well, but I was on a XC voyager in FC, and because of overcrowding, I had to walk to the end of the train to get the free refreshments, because thats where the refreshments were - Although they could do tea / coffee in the small galley...

The XC HST has it right, where there is a mini buffet, where the entire service can be focused, without the need to have a trolley on one end of the train, which can't move at all when it runs out of hot water etc...

Anyway, my opinion doesnt matter, and an extra buffet in a 2x4 HST would screw everything up, as the 2x4 signs have been put everywhere along the mainline... grr

They wouldn't have to add an extra buffet into a mini HST, just swap one of the TSOs for a TMSB and have the power doors fitted to these instead. The difference in seats lost would not be that great.

The TSMB vehicle could be at the opposite end of the set to the TGS, which would allow another base for onboard staff should the service be busy.

co-tr-paul · 5 Jun 2018

All this buffet talk on HSTGTi services is unesessary. Remember the original plan was to use 158s and the catering plan was formalised at that time as part of the IET and cascade plans. It still stands. The GTis are/were supposed to be JUST a stopgap due to cascade delays.

paulwestwood · 5 Jun 2018

co-tr-paul said:
All this buffet talk on HSTGTi services is unesessary. Remember the original plan was to use 158s and the catering plan was formalised at that time as part of the IET and cascade plans. It still stands. The GTis are/were supposed to be JUST a stopgap due to cascade delays.

The customers happen to really like the GTI's though.

DenmarkRail · 5 Jun 2018

paulwestwood said:
The customers happen to really like the GTI's though.

Yep! People also think that they are brand new trains!

co-tr-paul · 5 Jun 2018

Maybe with enough public pressure......
Remember, GW01 is only a trial set so who knows !

GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

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