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Witney: the town that refused to let austerity kill its buses

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The Guardian describes a not-for-profit service run by locals.
For a mere 15-seater, the 210 holds a lot of different meanings. For its operators, it’s “an ice-cream van”, running from Witney to Chipping Norton through five villages in west Oxfordshire that are otherwise starved of public transport. For passengers it’s a lifeline, either saving them from spending their pension on a minicab or – for the young – begging parents for a lift. It’s a new service run by and for a community that has been stripped of scores of bus routes.

On 20 July 2016, Oxfordshire county council scrapped all subsidies for bus services. The devastation was instant: that same day, 54 routes stopped altogether, while many more were reduced.

Frantic tin-rattling raised the 18 grand that bought an old bus, and at the start of 2017 West Oxfordshire Community Transport (WOCT) was on the road. From the start [local Labour councillor Laura] Price wanted the venture to be a co-operative: “We need people to understand they’ve got a stake in making it work.” Anyone paying a quid can be a voting member, drivers get a proper living wage, and whatever profits might turn up are reinvested in the business.

After just 16 months, it not only breaks even, it’s expanding. The fleet has gone from one to four buses (none less than 10 years old). The town service runs “like a Swiss watch”, says Lyons, and throughout our chat his eyes barely rise from the smartphone app that keeps tabs on their progress. Other villages kept petitioning WOCT to run a service for them, so this February it began the 210 to Chipping Norton.
Can this "co-op bus service" be repeated elsewhere? If not, why not?
 
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Funnily enough the was a mention of Witney in this morning's "Cornishman" in that someone had had a letter published having a pop at Penzance council for charging for car parking whilst Witney's car parking was free resulting in Witney being a thriving shopping town with all shops being open and none closed/boarded up. They didn't mention moronic Penzance town council allowing massive out of town supermarkets and mixed shopping places to open just out of town killing off the main shopping streets of Market Jew Street and Causeway Head. On the outskirts there is a massive Sainsburys, a massive Tescos and a massive Morrisons all within half a mile of each other. There's something called BMI which is like a downmarket Woolworths and another called The Range.
I can't comment on Witney as I've never been there but I'm guessing that it's a little more up market than Penzance although I may very well be wrong.
 

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All that proves is that building public transport use via "the stick" simply does not work unless that public transport is already excellent (i.e. London). You have to *make* it excellent first, or people just drive elsewhere and town centres die.
 

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All that proves is that building public transport use via "the stick" simply does not work unless that public transport is already excellent (i.e. London). You have to *make* it excellent first, or people just drive elsewhere and town centres die.
Exactly. In my experience local authorities couldn't organise a drawer full of socks let alone planning or transport
 

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Funnily enough the was a mention of Witney in this morning's "Cornishman" in that someone had had a letter published having a pop at Penzance council for charging for car parking whilst Witney's car parking was free resulting in Witney being a thriving shopping town with all shops being open and none closed/boarded up. They didn't mention moronic Penzance town council allowing massive out of town supermarkets and mixed shopping places to open just out of town killing off the main shopping streets of Market Jew Street and Causeway Head. On the outskirts there is a massive Sainsburys, a massive Tescos and a massive Morrisons all within half a mile of each other. There's something called BMI which is like a downmarket Woolworths and another called The Range.
I can't comment on Witney as I've never been there but I'm guessing that it's a little more up market than Penzance although I may very well be wrong.

I think it's unlikely that Penzance Town Council (moronic or otherwise) allowed the development as it's almost certainly not the planning authority.
 

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I think it's unlikely that Penzance Town Council (moronic or otherwise) allowed the development as it's almost certainly not the planning authority.
You are correct, Cornwall Council is the planning authority, in succession to Penwith District Council. However, Penzance Town Council had to be consulted in relation to recent developments, particularly with Sainsbury's 'taking over' the former heliport site, and they voted in favour of that development by a majority of one, after a joint presentation by that supermarket with the local Chamber of Commerce. The then Vice Chairman of the C of C is now a local councillor and is currently Mayor, enabling him to exhibit his baubles. I best leave the subject there!
 

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Funnily enough the was a mention of Witney in this morning's "Cornishman" in that someone had had a letter published having a pop at Penzance council for charging for car parking whilst Witney's car parking was free resulting in Witney being a thriving shopping town with all shops being open and none closed/boarded up.

The downside is that it's a car-clogged, unpleasant place to be. Trying to park on a Saturday morning involves circling round the car parks for half an hour to find a space. The buses (save for the principal Oxford-Witney-Carterton service) have lurched from operator to operator because there's no money in running them, since everyone drives instead. Those buses that are still running have really high fares (£5.50 for a return of seven miles each way). People drive half a mile to the shops when they could cycle or walk instead. Small shops in nearby villages or towns suffer because people now do all their shopping in Witney at the same time as they're doing the weekly supermarket shop.

As a local I think West Oxfordshire's free parking policy is absolutely retrograde. Other nearby districts that charge for parking (such as adjoining Cotswold District) don't appear any less prosperous.

Personally, I rarely go to Witney these days although it's only seven or eight miles away - I can get to Oxford on the train much cheaper than Witney on the bus (though it's twice the distance) and it's a much more pleasant experience.
 

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Is Witney the one with the utterly bewildering one-way system where all the streets lead into a car park in the middle of the town and there aren't any obvious exits?
 

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No - it's pretty much all two-way (though FWIW, I think it would be greatly improved by making the High Street one-way for buses only, and reserving the rest of the space for pedestrians and cyclists).
 

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No - it's pretty much all two-way (though FWIW, I think it would be greatly improved by making the High Street one-way for buses only, and reserving the rest of the space for pedestrians and cyclists).
No, on looking at google maps I'm definitely thinking of somewhere else. Random memories of South Oxfordshire from 20 years ago...
 

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The downside is that it's a car-clogged, unpleasant place to be. Trying to park on a Saturday morning involves circling round the car parks for half an hour to find a space. The buses (save for the principal Oxford-Witney-Carterton service) have lurched from operator to operator because there's no money in running them, since everyone drives instead. Those buses that are still running have really high fares (£5.50 for a return of seven miles each way). People drive half a mile to the shops when they could cycle or walk instead. Small shops in nearby villages or towns suffer because people now do all their shopping in Witney at the same time as they're doing the weekly supermarket shop.

As a local I think West Oxfordshire's free parking policy is absolutely retrograde. Other nearby districts that charge for parking (such as adjoining Cotswold District) don't appear any less prosperous.

Personally, I rarely go to Witney these days although it's only seven or eight miles away - I can get to Oxford on the train much cheaper than Witney on the bus (though it's twice the distance) and it's a much more pleasant experience.
I wish my journey was £5.50 from North watford to Rickmansworth, (5 miles) I gave up when it reached £6.75
 

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I wish my journey was £5.50 from North watford to Rickmansworth, (5 miles) I gave up when it reached £6.75

Yeah, I’m always amazed when people cite such examples as being really high fares. £5.50 for a return journey that is 7 miles each way, seems reasonable value to me.
 

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I'm happy with Faresaver for now, getting a pack of 5 day tickets for a student/child works out at £3.50 each and each one allows for a full day unlimited traveling anywhere from Chippenham to Bath, Devizes, Frome, Trowbridge, Bradford-on-Avon and a lot of smaller villages.
 
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