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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

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If Manchester to Preston to electrification is completed and trains are running before December, it should be back to the previous stock by then? (admittedly a big if!)

Not on the Manchester - Warrington - Liverpool 'express' which is a route transferring from TPE in May.
 
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Forgot about those!

Nothing in the opposite direction unsurprisingly... apart from a few bits and bobs at the Nene Valley Railway.

Though there was also an ex-Budapest tram at the Transperience museum at Low Moor, along with a trolleybus which I think was from Plzeň.
Probably because they wouldn't fit on our loading gauge.
 

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I agree. Although it's hard to tell for sure it looks like the seat fitted in Voyagers which is indeed a very comfy seat! I've said it before but that whole cab looks very well designed, I'm sure drivers will love them

Christ they will make the job about 25X better.

Compare that cab to a crappy 150.

I just hope my depot gets to sign these 195's and we get more work on 195's than appalling 150's.
 

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Nothing in the opposite direction unsurprisingly... apart from a few bits and bobs at the Nene Valley Railway.
Not forgetting the ex-NSB Di8 diesels that GBRf imported for operating the steel works at Teeside which then moved to Scunthorpe and the five European 66s they bought (66747 - 751).
 
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Hi, apologies if this has been asked previously (new here, first post, please be gentle!) - once Northern Connect has been assigned the 195s it needs, (along with 331s on any electrified lines), how many will actually be left for current services?

I'm pretty much resigned to the Calder Valley line Leeds to Huddersfield stopper not being among them. My local station (Low Moor) will probably still be getting the bottom end of the Northern Random Unit Generator's output, even once the Pacers have been put out of their misery.
 

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Hi, apologies if this has been asked previously (new here, first post, please be gentle!) - once Northern Connect has been assigned the 195s it needs, (along with 331s on any electrified lines), how many will actually be left for current services?

I'm pretty much resigned to the Calder Valley line Leeds to Huddersfield stopper not being among them. My local station (Low Moor) will probably still be getting the bottom end of the Northern Random Unit Generator's output, even once the Pacers have been put out of their misery.

331's will be working all Non Connect services on routes from Leeds, they may also work some Non Connect services in the North West, I doubt the 195's will work many Non Connect Services, and the Leeds Huddersfield via Bradford is very unlikely to be a 195, However the majority of longer distance Calder Valley services are likely to be 195's with 170's on the via Dewsbury Service. If the 155's are going East as suggested then the Leeds-Hudd's Via Bradford is likely to be a 150, which is perfectly good enough for that route.
 
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Hi, apologies if this has been asked previously (new here, first post, please be gentle!) - once Northern Connect has been assigned the 195s it needs, (along with 331s on any electrified lines), how many will actually be left for current services?
I'm pretty much resigned to the Calder Valley line Leeds to Huddersfield stopper not being among them. My local station (Low Moor) will probably still be getting the bottom end of the Northern Random Unit Generator's output, even once the Pacers have been put out of their misery.
They won't even have enough 195s for all of the Connect services, as Carlisle - Newcastle/Middlesbrough is expected to be run be 'refurbished' class 158s. There's obviously a chance they could end up on non-Connect services due to stock being out of place or maintenance, but it's unlikely to be a regular occurrence.

331's will be working all Non Connect services on routes from Leeds, they may also work some Non Connect services in the North West
333s will still be working on electric routes in West Yorkshire - I am not aware of any plans to a) move them to elsewhere on the Northern network, or b) get rid of them entirely.
 

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Hi, apologies if this has been asked previously (new here, first post, please be gentle!) - once Northern Connect has been assigned the 195s it needs, (along with 331s on any electrified lines), how many will actually be left for current services?

I'm pretty much resigned to the Calder Valley line Leeds to Huddersfield stopper not being among them. My local station (Low Moor) will probably still be getting the bottom end of the Northern Random Unit Generator's output, even once the Pacers have been put out of their misery.
Most (not all) of the Connect services will be an upgrade/alteration of existing services. As you say though, Hudds to Leeds via Bradford will be near the bottom of the pecking order. The only realistic chance of a Connect-standard unit will be the odd early or late service but even that is unlikely due to Huddersfield not being exactly a 'hub' for Northern. The lack of an all-day Northern service from Huddersfield to both Leeds (direct) and Manchester should free up some units though. Think the Brighouse services will be predominantly 150/170 with the odd 158 thrown in.
 
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Thanks all for the confirmation and new info. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where they go.

Although I have seen posts in the 331 thread about 331s replacing the 321s on the 'Ilkley-Bradford-Leeds triangle' (sounds like a horror movie!). But that's o/t for this thread.
 

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They won't even have enough 195s for all of the Connect services, as Carlisle - Newcastle/Middlesbrough is expected to be run be 'refurbished' class 158s. There's obviously a chance they could end up on non-Connect services due to stock being out of place or maintenance, but it's unlikely to be a regular occurrence.


333s will still be working on electric routes in West Yorkshire - I am not aware of any plans to a) move them to elsewhere on the Northern network, or b) get rid of them entirely.

I never said they wouldn't be, perhaps I might have worded better but I meant that all services that 331's work in Yorkshire will be Non Connect not that they will work all Non Connect Services.
 

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It's been muted that 195s might be used on the Clitheroe services, which isn't a Connect route.
Could that be down to Blackburn depot having either an allocation of 195s, or that new depot having responsibility for certain maintenance tasks? If so, it'll be a handful of early and late services rather than an all-day thing.
 

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It's been muted that 195s might be used on the Clitheroe services, which isn't a Connect route.
I thought that the Clitheroe services could receive Connect-spec trains by way of 158s, as all of these are meant to be refurbished to Connect standard.
 

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I don't think 158s have been confirmed either, just that Connect standard units will work the service. I think it is more to do with ensuring units capable of at least 90mph are working the sections between Rochdale-Manchester-Bolton. So it it could be either 158s or 195s, or perhaps a mixture.

The door arrangement of the 195s would make them more suitable, since it is a commuter route (along with all Northern workings through Bolton).
 

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It's been muted that 195s might be used on the Clitheroe services, which isn't a Connect route.

Could that be down to Blackburn depot having either an allocation of 195s, or that new depot having responsibility for certain maintenance tasks? If so, it'll be a handful of early and late services rather than an all-day thing.

It's just people getting over excited about statements they have misinterpreted. Things like the length of sidings at Blackburn, and platform extension works.

Blackburn will surely only regularly see 195s for the (Blackpool)-Preston-Leeds-(York) services.

In any case Blackburn doesn't and won't have an 'allocation' nor will it do anything (in terms of specialised or specific maintenance tasks) that for instance isn't done at Blackpool or Sheffield carriage sidings.
 

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The first Class 195 is on it's way to the UK 195002 has been photographed in a facebook group on a low loader heading for the ferry across to the UK, not sure on it's ETA into the UK yet tho
 

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The first Class 195 is on it's way to the UK 195002 has been photographed in a facebook group on a low loader heading for the ferry across to the UK, not sure on it's ETA into the UK yet tho
I'm interested in photographing or filming this unit when it arrives in the UK and travels to the depot (which I presume will be somewhere up north).
How on earth am I meant to find out where/when this thing travels from the UK port to the depot? I am not on facebook, so I don't get all information.

Edit: spelling.
 
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If it's being brought over by ship, there is a good chance that they'll be delivered to the depot on low loader, especially given that they are only 2 or 3 car units.
 

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If it's being brought over by ship, there is a good chance that they'll be delivered to the depot on low loader, especially given that they are only 2 or 3 car units.
I'd be disappointed if this is indeed the case, but there we go! (and by low loader, I presume you mean some sort of road vehicle).
 

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If it's being brought over by ship, there is a good chance that they'll be delivered to the depot on low loader, especially given that they are only 2 or 3 car units.

It's due into Portbury (Bristol) alike the TPE MK5a's, it is understood it will be hauled by Rail Oporations Group (ROG), I will post any details I can when I get them for everyone.
 

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It's due into Portbury (Bristol) alike the TPE MK5a's, it is understood it will be hauled by Rail Oporations Group (ROG), I will post any details I can when I get them for everyone.

Interesting, that would be good for some although I can't help but feel that it would be far more cost efficient to send 2 of Allely's finest to bring them to Newton Heath (?) than 2 ROG locos and an army of barrier and brake force wagons.
 

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The CAF units that Translink Northern Ireland Railways have (Class 3000 and Class 4000) are good quality build units and comfortable.

The only gripe I'd have with them is that the door open buttons on the outside of the cars are a bit of a distance from the door.

They've huge panoramic windows and plenty of legroom.

At times they're a bit wobbly but that's probably down to the rail!
 

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The CAF units that Translink Northern Ireland Railways have (Class 3000 and Class 4000) are good quality build units and comfortable.

The only gripe I'd have with them is that the door open buttons on the outside of the cars are a bit of a distance from the door.

They've huge panoramic windows and plenty of legroom.

At times they're a bit wobbly but that's probably down to the rail!

I've thought similar of the 333s which are CAF bodied but with a Siemens traction package. Well built, solid units which have stood the test of time well, particularly considering the use they get. I have high hopes for these units.
 

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Will the 195s and 331s enter service before the December timetable if possible? A few months to bed-in drivers in with the new units would avoid the debacle with untrained drivers like we had last month.

Would be a hugely welcome and much needed PR boost from Northern's point of view to publicise new trains as we've not seen that on the Northern network for nearly two decades now.

Northern desperately need some extra capacity on some routes given they've been let down badly by Porterbrook with the 769s.
 

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The CAF units that Translink Northern Ireland Railways have (Class 3000 and Class 4000) are good quality build units and comfortable.

The only gripe I'd have with them is that the door open buttons on the outside of the cars are a bit of a distance from the door.

They've huge panoramic windows and plenty of legroom.

At times they're a bit wobbly but that's probably down to the rail!
I'd add that they're also very quiet inside, so much so that the aircon noise is more prominent than that of the diesel engine! My only gripe with them is that the seats, while fine for shorter journeys, were beginning to grate by the last third of a Belfast to Londonderry jaunt.
 

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@northernassist have taken delivery of the first of their new trains. This diesel unit arrived in Bristol today - to be followed by new electric units. They've been built in Spain, part of a £500m modernisation programme. Should be operational by the end of the year.

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The first one has arrived! :D
 
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