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  • Bristol Temple Meads to Bath & Bristol Parkway paused, dependent on Bristol resignalling (Taunton-Parkway over Easter 2018; Temple Meads to Both in October 2018), track remodelling and Filton Bank 4-tracking (to be completed by December 2018).
Apologies if this has already been asked (I did look), but have their been any further announcements Bristol Temple Meads and Bath since it was paused? I understand there is a sensible order to do things in, but if the resignalling is going to be complete within the next six months, surely now is the time to be planning what is needed for the electrification (for example, would they want a possession over Easter 2019).

Or is paused just a nice way to say cancelled?
 
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Apologies if this has already been asked (I did look), but have their been any further announcements Bristol Temple Meads and Bath since it was paused? I understand there is a sensible order to do things in, but if the resignalling is going to be complete within the next six months, surely now is the time to be planning what is needed for the electrification (for example, would they want a possession over Easter 2019).

Or is paused just a nice way to say cancelled?
They don’t make announcements normally, they just update the CP5 enhancements plan every 3 months or so, there should be an update this month. The last edition in March had repeated all the Dec 2017 info for GW wiring though, so perhaps there might be an actual update this next time.
 

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Though I'm expecting electrification of both routes to Bristol TM to go ahead fairly soon, they would probably have to be CP6 projects now, and no announcements have yet been made about any enhancement projects to be carried out in CP6, anywhere in the country. It's true that an update to the Enhancements Delivery Plan is due on June 30 (usually comes out a week or so late) but that plan is specific to (the remainder of) CP5.

On the other hand, current GW electrification works look likely to finish a few months before the end of CP5, so they may try to schedule some new work to start in time to keep the teams employed.

The original deferral of Oxford, the two routes to Bristol and the Thames branches took place via a DfT announcement, so perhaps their revival will be a DfT announcement too.
 

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Apologies if this has already been asked (I did look), but have their been any further announcements Bristol Temple Meads and Bath since it was paused? I understand there is a sensible order to do things in, but if the resignalling is going to be complete within the next six months, surely now is the time to be planning what is needed for the electrification (for example, would they want a possession over Easter 2019).

Or is paused just a nice way to say cancelled?
The station has been re-signalled without significant changes to the layout. I thought the plan was to remodel it Reading-style and if so it would make sense to do that before considering electrification.
 

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The station has been re-signalled without significant changes to the layout. I thought the plan was to remodel it Reading-style and if so it would make sense to do that before considering electrification.
The only significant change, IIRC, would be the addition of tracks in the Midland Shed once Bristol PSB is bulldozed; that won't take place until after October (once Bristol TM - Bath Spa is resignalled to the TVSC) at the earliest. I suspect the Filton works may also have an impact on wiring plans.
 

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The only significant change, IIRC, would be the addition of tracks in the Midland Shed once Bristol PSB is bulldozed; that won't take place until after October (once Bristol TM - Bath Spa is resignalled to the TVSC) at the earliest. I suspect the Filton works may also have an impact on wiring plans.
I thought at some point Bristol East Jn was going to be remodelled? It's a fairly archaic layout at present, you wouldn't want to electrify it.
 

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The only significant change, IIRC, would be the addition of tracks in the Midland Shed once Bristol PSB is bulldozed; that won't take place until after October (once Bristol TM - Bath Spa is resignalled to the TVSC) at the earliest. I suspect the Filton works may also have an impact on wiring plans.

Bristol Panel still controls the line from Flax Bourton to Bridgwater, with no plans at present for control to migrate elsewhere. Bristol Panel will remain for the foreseeable future and until it goes the midland shed can’t be used.
 

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Bristol Panel still controls the line from Flax Bourton to Bridgwater, with no plans at present for control to migrate elsewhere. Bristol Panel will remain for the foreseeable future and until it goes the midland shed can’t be used.

I wonder how big a job it would be to move it out of the way? I.e. physically move the equipment within the station area as opposed to moving control to TVSC?
 

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It seems unlikely to be easily moved, based on the huge amount of signal wiring that goes through the ground floor, as seen on the recent Paddington 24/7 episode.
 

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I thought at some point Bristol East Jn was going to be remodelled? It's a fairly archaic layout at present, you wouldn't want to electrify it.
My understanding. Is that the capacity enhancements as a result of Filton Bank 4 tracking cannot be realised until Bristol East Jn is remodelled e.g. MetroWest and extra services from South Wales.

There appears to be enough space to create 6 running lines in from Bristol E Jn. It would certainly be useful to have a 40 mph (vice current 15) pair of tracks from/to Bath into P13/15 without conflicting with the Filton - Bedminster & beyond moves.

Also need a better alignment from P1/3/5 (and future plats in Midland shed) to the up Filton relief, rather than the current weave, to allow quicker exits.

Can anyone confirm what remodelling is planned?
 

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The reasons seem fair and relatively easy to fix. Basically look at putting it somewhere better and make it a bit prettier godammit.
There is even a better solution to Reading West! Do not build the bridge at all.

They are re-opening an old exit which will allow passengers to change platforms via Oxford Road. Just as quick, much cheaper. Not that anyone changes platforms there anyway. The only use of the bridge is for people using the Tilehurst Road entrance to get to the up platform anyway.

Why waste more money on the over spend project!
 

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Planning application for the new footbridge at Reading West was refused.
http://documents.reading.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/00403277.pdf

Link for all documents.
http://documents.reading.gov.uk/AniteIM.WebSearch/Results.aspx?grdResultsP=2

Looks like it might be, finish down side access, remove old footbridge, then try again.

The reasons seem fair and relatively easy to fix. Basically look at putting it somewhere better and make it a bit prettier godammit.

There is even a better solution to Reading West! Do not build the bridge at all.

They are re-opening an old exit which will allow passengers to change platforms via Oxford Road. Just as quick, much cheaper. Not that anyone changes platforms there anyway. The only use of the bridge is for people using the Tilehurst Road entrance to get to the up platform anyway.

Why waste more money on the over spend project!

This being the GW Electrification Progress thread, I made no reference to the planning arguments, and if I had done so, would have included NR correspondence for balance.

Links were provided for anybody wishing to delve deeper or confirm the refusal.

The point being made was, the old bridge has to go, re-opening of the down side access enables the same level of access, although slightly longer for some, with no bridge. The footbridge issue can then be re-visited without undue delay to electrification. As reddragon has pointed out there is more than one option.
 

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This being the GW Electrification Progress thread, I made no reference to the planning arguments, and if I had done so, would have included NR correspondence for balance.

Links were provided for anybody wishing to delve deeper or confirm the refusal.

The point being made was, the old bridge has to go, re-opening of the down side access enables the same level of access, although slightly longer for some, with no bridge. The footbridge issue can then be re-visited without undue delay to electrification. As reddragon has pointed out there is more than one option.
There is now a notice of change of access at Reading West:
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Which says that the old footbridge will be removed within the possession that’ll be happening between the 30th June and 1st July.

The access to Platform 1 will be preserved by the reinstated Oxford Road access point, which includes ramps and stairs (yay to DDA!), which currently looks like this:
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Just found this collection of shots, courtesy of "Lee Smith/DJ Lee Kee" on Flickr, to do with the canopy work currently ongoing at Cardiff Central P1/2.42854619152_0c79968d97_k.jpg 41092533630_c438b1350d_k.jpg 42854623372_b0bc1892c4_k.jpg
Do you think that the plan is to fix brackets in the gaps in the canopy? It might seem unlikely, but the metalwork poking out in the second image made me think that that was the plan - which would explain the comparative lack of TTCs et al in the station's vicinity.

To add to this, the Ebbw Vale Line is due to be closed next week (Mon 25th June through Fri 29th June) and the Marches Line as far as Cwmbran will be similarly closed the following week (Mon 2nd July through Fri 6th July); this makes me think that some fairly hefty wiring work is due to occur
  1. at Alexandra Dock Jct; and
  2. at the Maindee Triangle and possibly the Usk Bridge.
 
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Just found this collection of shots, courtesy of "Lee Smith/DJ Lee Kee" on Flickr, to do with the canopy work currently ongoing at Cardiff Central P1/2.View attachment 48574 View attachment 48575 View attachment 48576
Do you think that the plan is to fix brackets in the gaps in the canopy? It might seem unlikely, but the metalwork poking out in the second image made me think that that was the plan - which would explain the comparative lack of TTCs et al in the station's vicinity.

To add to this, the Ebbw Vale Line is due to be closed next week (Mon 25th June through Fri 29th June) and the Marches Line as far as Cwmbran will be similarly closed the following week (Mon 2nd July through Fri 6th July); this makes me think that some fairly hefty wiring work is due to occur
  1. at Alexandra Dock Jct; and
  2. at the Maindee Triangle and possibly the Usk Bridge.

Isn't the Ebbw Vale closure to do with commissioning an extra section of double track? That said it would make sense to do work on the OHLE overrun at the same time.
 

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Isn't the Ebbw Vale closure to do with commissioning an extra section of double track? That said it would make sense to do work on the OHLE overrun at the same time.
I hadn't known about the additional track on the Ebbw branch, but it certainly would make sense to kill two birds with one stone.
I haven't seen many pics around ADJ lately, so perhaps the first portal booms have gone up?
 

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Just found this collection of shots, courtesy of "Lee Smith/DJ Lee Kee" on Flickr, to do with the canopy work currently ongoing at Cardiff Central P1/2.View attachment 48574 View attachment 48575 View attachment 48576
Do you think that the plan is to fix brackets in the gaps in the canopy? It might seem unlikely, but the metalwork poking out in the second image made me think that that was the plan - which would explain the comparative lack of TTCs et al in the station's vicinity.

To add to this, the Ebbw Vale Line is due to be closed next week (Mon 25th June through Fri 29th June) and the Marches Line as far as Cwmbran will be similarly closed the following week (Mon 2nd July through Fri 6th July); this makes me think that some fairly hefty wiring work is due to occur
  1. at Alexandra Dock Jct; and
  2. at the Maindee Triangle and possibly the Usk Bridge.
At Newport station, the work on cutting back canopies has been going on for quite some time. Platform 1 is largely complete apart from the sections adjacent to the skeletal remains of the old footbridge, which must soon be due for removal! Platforms 2/3 are more complex because of the different design of canopy in the 'central' part of the canopies and the tunnel side of the old footbridge, though the remainder has been completed for some time. Platform 4 was a new construction some years ago and presumably does not require any work.

Here are some pictures taken on 18.6.18 from platforms 2 and 3. They also show the masts and booms, with SPS installed so far:

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I hadn't known about the additional track on the Ebbw branch, but it certainly would make sense to kill two birds with one stone.
I haven't seen many pics around ADJ lately, so perhaps the first portal booms have gone up?
I recall a portal boom across the four tracks of the main line and a fairly adjacent Twin track cantilever across the very first part of the Ebbw Vale branch as I passed on 18.6.18.
 

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Just found this collection of shots, courtesy of "Lee Smith/DJ Lee Kee" on Flickr, to do with the canopy work currently ongoing at Cardiff Central P1/2.View attachment 48574 View attachment 48575 View attachment 48576
Do you think that the plan is to fix brackets in the gaps in the canopy? It might seem unlikely, but the metalwork poking out in the second image made me think that that was the plan - which would explain the comparative lack of TTCs et al in the station's vicinity.

To add to this, the Ebbw Vale Line is due to be closed next week (Mon 25th June through Fri 29th June) and the Marches Line as far as Cwmbran will be similarly closed the following week (Mon 2nd July through Fri 6th July); this makes me think that some fairly hefty wiring work is due to occur
  1. at Alexandra Dock Jct; and
  2. at the Maindee Triangle and possibly the Usk Bridge.
Looking at the rusty state of the steelwork in the photo with the man in the mast-climber, it's probably temporary work for the canopy. I would have thought that any electrification metalwork would be either galvanised or powder-coated.
 

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Looking at the rusty state of the steelwork in the photo with the man in the mast-climber, it's probably temporary work for the canopy. I would have thought that any electrification metalwork would be either galvanised or powder-coated.
That would make more sense to be fair.
Of course, it could be Cor-ten steel (which is aesthetically weathered), but Ken Skates wouldn't think that that would be a "world class" look...
 

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That would make more sense to be fair.
Of course, it could be Cor-ten steel (which is aesthetically weathered), but Ken Skates wouldn't think that that would be a "world class" look...

At Newport, there are masts sticking up through the canopy (which looks very ugly to my eyes).

(This work is nothing to do with Mr Skates of course, much as he'd like to get control of the SWML)
 

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At Newport, there are masts sticking up through the canopy (which looks very ugly to my eyes).

(This work is nothing to do with Mr Skates of course, much as he'd like to get control of the SWML)
Ahh yes, are those the masts at the "completed" end of the P2/3 island? While they certainly aren't visually appealing, they are at least in keeping with the rest of the GWML, so there's little/no chance of Skates saying that Wales has had it worse off than England with ugly OHLE structures ;)
 

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Ahh yes, are those the masts at the "completed" end of the P2/3 island? While they certainly aren't visually appealing, they are at least in keeping with the rest of the GWML, so there's little/no chance of Skates saying that Wales has had it worse off than England with ugly OHLE structures ;)

Yes, from memory.

I'll try to get some photos in the couple of days.
 

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That would make more sense to be fair.
Of course, it could be Cor-ten steel (which is aesthetically weathered), but Ken Skates wouldn't think that that would be a "world class" look...
Unlikely to be cor-ten as it’s a bit of a sod to weld and not suitable for that sort of application.
 

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Unlikely to be cor-ten as it’s a bit of a sod to weld and not suitable for that sort of application.

As others have said, one's always learning when reading here! Had wondered the other day about the treetop walkway at Kew Gardens — what sort of steel was it made of, to be left “rusting” like that …

In related reading: “In Denmark, all masts for supporting the catenary on electrified railways are made of weathering steel for aesthetic reasons.” says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathering_steel , and so I suppose at least we finally have a solution for æsthetics of the the boring gap ……… d'oh, too late!
 

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