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Noting that I can't get the SL version of our Travel Planner to work, to give the basic clues about routes/modes to take between specific points; "Integrated Transport, eh?" Can anyone help with plans for me travelling there next Sunday/Monday. Specifically;

Is there a "human face" to SL at Arlanda to enquire from or even (hope against hope) obtain map(s)?

Does the Flygbussen stop at S.t Eriksplan?

Can tickets be bought on the bus (or at Tram stop if relevant) with cash?

If so, am I right in translating a single tickets costing 31kr and being valid for 75 minutes from purchase - or is that from remote locations?

How do I get from Grona Lund to Bromma Airport?

Presumably, from Bromma to Arlanda I would need to catch the Flygbussen back to City Terminaln and change there, as any "local" public transport would take considerably longer. This journey would be at about 1930hrs.

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Noting that I can't get the SL version of our Travel Planner to work, to give the basic clues about routes/modes to take between specific points; "Integrated Transport, eh?" Can anyone help with plans for me travelling there next Sunday/Monday. Specifically;

Is there a "human face" to SL at Arlanda to enquire from or even (hope against hope) obtain map(s)?

Does the Flygbussen stop at S.t Eriksplan?

Can tickets be bought on the bus (or at Tram stop if relevant) with cash?

If so, am I right in translating a single tickets costing 31kr and being valid for 75 minutes from purchase - or is that from remote locations?

How do I get from Grona Lund to Bromma Airport?

Presumably, from Bromma to Arlanda I would need to catch the Flygbussen back to City Terminaln and change there, as any "local" public transport would take considerably longer. This journey would be at about 1930hrs.

Tia

Did you find this webpage?

https://sl.se/en/fares--tickets/

You can't buy tickets on the bus. You only get tickets at that price if you use the SL Access smartcard. You can buy single use tickets at the various ticket points described or on your phone but they cost more: 44 SEK.

pdf maps are here:

https://sl.se/en/getting-around/

This may also be of use

https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Stockholm
 
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Flygbussarna aren't operated by SL, but belong to a private company - that's why you can't find them on SL's website. You can find a route planner and ticket price information on their website: https://www.flygbussarna.se/en

The Resrobot website should be a comprehensive journey planner for all of Sweden, but I don't think Flygbussarna is in it either.

Is there a "human face" to SL at Arlanda to enquire from or even (hope against hope) obtain map(s)?
There's no SL Centre at Arlanda Airport. There are Arlanda Visitor Centres, run by the airport, where you can find information about Arlanda Express and buses. You can find these centres in terminals 2 and 5.

You can't buy tickets on the bus. You only get tickets at that price if you use the SL Access smartcard. You can buy single use tickets at the various ticket points described or on your phone but they cost more: 44 SEK.
SL Access cards can be bought at Pressbyrån (basically a Swedish version of WHSmith), among other places. Pressbyrån can be found in Terminal 5 and in the central "SkyCity" area.
 
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Flygbussarna aren't operated by SL, but belong to a private company - that's why you can't find them on SL's website. You can find a route planner and ticket price information on their website: https://www.flygbussarna.se/en

The Resrobot website should be a comprehensive journey planner for all of Sweden, but I don't think Flygbussarna is in it either.


There's no SL Centre at Arlanda Airport. There are Arlanda Visitor Centres, run by the airport, where you can find information about Arlanda Express and buses. You can find these centres in terminals 2 and 5.


SL Access cards can be bought at Pressbyrån (basically a Swedish version of WHSmith), among other places. Pressbyrån can be found in Terminal 5 and in the central "SkyCity" area.


I did find the SL website. Problem was when I looked at prices (last night), I wasn't prompted with an English translation. I *think* I've got it now; I need to buy an SL Access card from a Pressbyran for 20SKr. Do I then have to load it up with a minimum 100SKr, as I think 2x 31SKr single journeys will suffice for my needs as its only valid on SL? And frankly, I'm not going to get the oppurtunity to go back and spend the other 38!

The map section is predictably limited and not really helpful ie. Central only (I'd already studied that) and LU type maps for Rail based routes. All I recall from a previous visit is that Brommaplein is nowhere near the Airport of the same name, so without clues for bus connections, it sounds like the only practical way would be to return to CitY Terminaln and shell out 75SKr for the Flygbuss.

I had also found the Resrobot site, but noted fares quoted for both Flygbuss and Express train between Arlanda and the city were much higher than their own respective sites. I note there is virtually no discount for returns (as against 2x singles) on Flygbuss. Am I right in thinking this is the same on the Express trains?
 

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As an aside, does anyone know what happened regarding the "Swedish Doubling Project", an industry-wide collaboration to double the modal share of public transport?
 

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The map section is predictably limited and not really helpful ie. Central only (I'd already studied that) and LU type maps for Rail based routes. All I recall from a previous visit is that Brommaplein is nowhere near the Airport of the same name, so without clues for bus connections, it sounds like the only practical way would be to return to CitY Terminaln and shell out 75SKr for the Flygbuss.

Maps for outlying areas are shown in the Swedish part of the website

https://sl.se/sv/reseinfo/

If you use the Google Chrome browser, you can easily translate most websites into English with usually acceptable accuracy.
 

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Maps for outlying areas are shown in the Swedish part of the website

https://sl.se/sv/reseinfo/

If you use the Google Chrome browser, you can easily translate most websites into English with usually acceptable accuracy.

I've found map excerpts, but they don't join up! There is a local train from Arlanda (I think it starts at Uppsala, so not that "local"), but the map disappears at Nytorp (which I thought was on Ekero), just after the line from Marsta joins it. Consequently, I can't see which route into the city it takes, though I assume it finishes at CityTerminaln. Seperately (and I mean seperatly), it looks like the local bus to Bromma is the 110 from Alvik, where you catch another local train (or Metro?), but again its not clear where in the city it serves. Indeed, it looks like the line loops round to S't, Eriksplan - which would be great if the Arlanda train stops there.

Of course, to cap it all - just like here in Manchester - every time I look at the weather forecast it deteriorates. I think I'll just pop in to one of Visitor Centres at the Airport on Sunday morning and see what a Human being can tell me.
 

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I know you have probably tried this but both SJ (national railway) and SL (effectively Stockholm public transport authority) update google in real time so using maps works pretty well, you can also plan journeys in advance for it. When I'm there I tend to use google maps to plan journeys. The SL journey planner in English works for me pretty well at this link https://sl.se/en/ weirdly clicking the link from the Swedish version to English doesn't seem to work for me (On Chrome).

Noting that I can't get the SL version of our Travel Planner to work, to give the basic clues about routes/modes to take between specific points; "Integrated Transport, eh?" Can anyone help with plans for me travelling there next Sunday/Monday. Specifically;
Is there a "human face" to SL at Arlanda to enquire from or even (hope against hope) obtain map(s)?
Not for SJ or SL as previously mentioned just the travel desk ran by airport staff who are pretty helpful if it isn't too busy.

Does the Flygbussen stop at S.t Eriksplan?
Yes see here https://www.flygbussarna.se/en/arlanda under stops.

Can tickets be bought on the bus (or at Tram stop if relevant) with cash?

No and you can be given a penalty if caught. Only avaliable on Tram 7 which does the main tourist route from the centre out onto Djurgaden (and they cost 2x the normal price). Single use from ticket machines if you are there for two days depending on your arrival time the 24 hr travel card might be cheapest (it runs for an actual 24 hrs not just one day of validity) at 145 SEK including smart card.

If so, am I right in translating a single tickets costing 31kr and being valid for 75 minutes from purchase - or is that from remote locations?
Depends on where you purchase it generally you need to touch in at a blue reader to activate any ticket doing so again doesn't do anything so even if already active no harm. It is a flat fare system anywhere within Stockholm Lan (kind of County). Also note that single use tickets cost 44 SEK the 31 SEK is using the SL Access smart card (so making 3 journeys it would be cheaper to get a smart card even with the 100 SEK top up).

How do I get from Grona Lund to Bromma Airport?

2 routes but essentially Tram 7 or walk to Nybroplan > T10 to Sundbybergs centrum > Bus 110 to airport. See here (link should work for the next 24 hrs): https://sl.se/sharelink/?q=/Travel/...null/null/null/null/false/null/1/1/null/false

Presumably, from Bromma to Arlanda I would need to catch the Flygbussen back to City Terminaln and change there, as any "local" public transport would take considerably longer. This journey would be at about 1930hrs.
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The bus would be quicker but more expensive. You could do the reverse of the above route just getting off the metro earlier. The commuter train system does stop at Arlanda but you have to pay a premium because the airport own the tracks & station (a bit like Heathrow but a separate charge) but it is quicker to go back into town to catch it.

Have been to Stockholm quite a few times and can read enough to use journey planners etc. in Swedish (I'm fairly sure the above links should come out in English).

Hope this helps and enjoy it really is a great place.
 

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I know you have probably tried this but both SJ (national railway) and SL (effectively Stockholm public transport authority) update google in real time so using maps works pretty well, you can also plan journeys in advance for it. When I'm there I tend to use google maps to plan journeys. The SL journey planner in English works for me pretty well at this link https://sl.se/en/ weirdly clicking the link from the Swedish version to English doesn't seem to work for me (On Chrome).


No and you can be given a penalty if caught. Only avaliable on Tram 7 which does the main tourist route from the centre out onto Djurgaden (and they cost 2x the normal price). Single use from ticket machines if you are there for two days depending on your arrival time the 24 hr travel card might be cheapest (it runs for an actual 24 hrs not just one day of validity) at 145 SEK including smart card.


2 routes but essentially Tram 7 or walk to Nybroplan > T10 to Sundbybergs centrum > Bus 110 to airport. See here (link should work for the next 24 hrs): https://sl.se/sharelink/?q=/Travel/SearchTravelById/Liljevalchs_Gröna Lund (Stockholm)/Bromma flygplats (Stockholm)/1406/3600/2018-06-03%2011_27/depart/en/null/null/2,8,1,4,96,/null/null/null/null/null/false/null/1/1/null/false



The bus would be quicker but more expensive. You could do the reverse of the above route just getting off the metro earlier. The commuter train system does stop at Arlanda but you have to pay a premium because the airport own the tracks & station (a bit like Heathrow but a separate charge) but it is quicker to go back into town to catch it.

I'll only be going into the city on one day, and I suspect would only make two journeys (given the 75 minute transfer time), if I catch Flygbussarna.

Can you clarify; on the Tram 7 is it only double price on board ie. with an SL Access Card it would be 31Kr like other individual journeys? Also, what is the seating like? If its Metrolink style hard plastic, I won't be using it.

Also, what is the excess fare for entering/leaving Arlanda by commuter train?
 

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I'll only be going into the city on one day, and I suspect would only make two journeys (given the 75 minute transfer time), if I catch Flygbussarna.

Can you clarify; on the Tram 7 is it only double price on board ie. with an SL Access Card it would be 31Kr like other individual journeys? Also, what is the seating like? If its Metrolink style hard plastic, I won't be using it.

Also, what is the excess fare for entering/leaving Arlanda by commuter train?

I'm looking at the same information as you are and I can't see why tram 7 would be any different in fare to any other route. The only difference is that you can pay the conductor for SEK 62 as an extra option. It's a while since I've been in Stockholm but I'd be very surprised if the tram seats are any softer than tram seats on modern trams elsewhere, so I would suggest either bringing a cushion or using a wheelchair.

The SEK 120 Arlanda surcharge is also mentioned on the link. That can be avoided by taking a local bus from the airport and then transferring to a train at the next station.
 

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If it's any use the Citymapper app covers Stockholm and does it really well. It shows local bus options to the airports as well as the Flygbussarna coaches.
 

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Can you clarify; on the Tram 7 is it only double price on board ie. with an SL Access Card it would be 31Kr like other individual journeys? Also, what is the seating like? If its Metrolink style hard plastic, I won't be using it.

Correct, the pricing is the same for the tram as all the other SL-traffic. The only exceptions to that rule are trips across the county border and commuter train to from Arlanda C.

The seats are similar to modern city bus seats. But not hard plastic. Comfort is not great, but the trip end to end takes only 10 minutes so I'm not complaining.
 

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I did find the SL website. Problem was when I looked at prices (last night), I wasn't prompted with an English translation. I *think* I've got it now; I need to buy an SL Access card from a Pressbyran for 20SKr. Do I then have to load it up with a minimum 100SKr, as I think 2x 31SKr single journeys will suffice for my needs as its only valid on SL? And frankly, I'm not going to get the oppurtunity to go back and spend the other 38!

If you're not travelling more than that, two single tickets for 44 kr each will be cheaper.

The map section is predictably limited and not really helpful ie. Central only (I'd already studied that) and LU type maps for Rail based routes. All I recall from a previous visit is that Brommaplein is nowhere near the Airport of the same name, so without clues for bus connections, it sounds like the only practical way would be to return to CitY Terminaln and shell out 75SKr for the Flygbuss.

To get from Brommaplan to Bromma Airport is pretty easy, take bus 509 towards Danderyds sjukhus to Ekbacksvägen, change to bus 110. Takes around 20 minutes. To get to Arlanda from Brommaplan is even easier, Flygbussarna has a route direct from Brommaplan to Arlanda.

I had also found the Resrobot site, but noted fares quoted for both Flygbuss and Express train between Arlanda and the city were much higher than their own respective sites. I note there is virtually no discount for returns (as against 2x singles) on Flygbuss. Am I right in thinking this is the same on the Express trains?

No return discounts on the Arlanda Express, but if bought in advance they can be pretty cheap.
 

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I've found map excerpts, but they don't join up! There is a local train from Arlanda (I think it starts at Uppsala, so not that "local"), but the map disappears at Nytorp (which I thought was on Ekero), just after the line from Marsta joins it. Consequently, I can't see which route into the city it takes, though I assume it finishes at CityTerminaln.

It finishes somewhere in the southern suburbs, but stops along the way. The three most central stations are Odenplan, Stockholm C and Stockholm S.

Seperately (and I mean seperatly), it looks like the local bus to Bromma is the 110 from Alvik, where you catch another local train (or Metro?), but again its not clear where in the city it serves. Indeed, it looks like the line loops round to S't, Eriksplan - which would be great if the Arlanda train stops there.

Correct, from Bromma you can take 110 to Alvik and change to the metro, or 152 to Sundbyberg and change to the commuter train. The metro stops at St Eriksplan where you can catch the airport bus. And at Odenplan, where you can change to a commuter train to the airport.
 

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afaik there are NO printed maps for SL since many, many years. On the main info-shop at Centralen they stil had the last printed one hanging on, with notes to that effect, and that was many years old.
All cash has been abolished on buses, the only way to pay is by smartfone or chipcard. (this is universal in SE, though most buses allow paying by card)
SOME notes say (tripadvisor is usually better informed onthese things) that on some main points 7-11 shops (or whatever there is locally) MAY even sell 1-time single use 24- hr paper tckets (just like we have here in NL for trains). That way you avoid buying an Oyster.chipcard which you cannot use later or give back.
 

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A delay in the morning resulted in me dropping plans to go to Bromma. However, this simplified my options especially after speaking to the woman in the Tourist office at Arlanda. The only slight complication (which didn't cost any more time) was that you can only buy tickets in the Pressbyran at the Arrivals level - not Departures. Anyway, by catching the 583 bus to Marsta, I could connect with the commuter train and full coverage of the city came to 125Kr without complicated preloading and/or making connections within 75 minutes. I duly did this, with the inbound connection being adequate, and I reached St. Eriksplan 55 minutes after boarding the bus outside T5. I was able to catch the 67 right outside the station, albeit I just missed one. Nevertheless, a biogas bendibus took barely 20 minutes to my initial destination. The return was on the tram,which took 10 minutes to Hamngatan, where a walk of similar duration at the height of the evening rush hour involved the familiar weaving through pavement works (tram extension?) and commuters (including cyclists). There was a slight moment of panic when I descended into the cavernous Central Station, as all the commuter train line numbers were in the 20s & 30s, but the Marsta line was 41/42! Fortunately, I quickly espied an SL employee who was exceedingly helpful, explaining that the line numbers had changed and handed me a new map (tbf, this looked like the one on the website) and even directed me on the long walk to find the correct platform. All achieved successfully, but again I just missed a train. The next train duly arrived on time and made steady progress out of the city. However, we then stopped briefly between stations a couple of times, which culminated in a late arrival back at Marsta. As I left the Station (with many others of course), I just identified the stop for the 583 and surprise, surprise, it set off. Resigned to waiting another 15 minutes or more - good job I'd had an excellent lunch! - the driver did no more than do a full circle back to the stop and along with maybe a dozen others, I joined the few already on board. This, of course, was an interesting little tale given the general concept of integration. Are bus drivers told to bend the timetable to await late running trains, or did he do it "off his own back". Given, the general helpful attitude of virtually everyone I encountered in Stockholm, I suspect it was the latter. Would that work in Britain. More to the point could *every* bus driver (or indeed Light Rail driver) buy into it?

For the record - given radamfi's curt comment; itself a telling attitude given he (or she) is the one banging the drum for Integration loudest on this forum - all three buses I used were comfortable. In fact, the 583 I caught back to Arlanda seemed almost sumptuous (maybe I picked a good seat), despite a bell push hanging from a stanchion and minor bodywork damage. It was also the same batch as the outward 583. The trains actually differed slightly. The inbound (6005 if there are any international rail enthusiasts reading this) was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable by the time I approached the city, but the return (6101) was better. As expected, the tram wasn't at all comfortable, but possibly slightly better than Metrolink's "yellow perils".
 

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The SL Pendeltåg trains have been built by Alstom in three batches. The last batch (trains 6084 to 6129) was ordered in 2012, for the Citybanan services (Stockholm's Crossrail). These trains have different seats compared to the first two batches.
 

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This, of course, was an interesting little tale given the general concept of integration. Are bus drivers told to bend the timetable to await late running trains, or did he do it "off his own back". Given, the general helpful attitude of virtually everyone I encountered in Stockholm, I suspect it was the latter. Would that work in Britain. More to the point could *every* bus driver (or indeed Light Rail driver) buy into it?

It really depends on the area and how frequent the buses and trains are. For example, it is normal in Switzerland for buses to wait at least a few minutes for late running trains at village or suburban stations where buses are clearly timetabled to meet the trains. Where buses are frequent, that is less likely to happen.

For the record - given radamfi's curt comment; itself a telling attitude given he (or she) is the one banging the drum for Integration loudest on this forum - all three buses I used were comfortable. In fact, the 583 I caught back to Arlanda seemed almost sumptuous (maybe I picked a good seat), despite a bell push hanging from a stanchion and minor bodywork damage. It was also the same batch as the outward 583. The trains actually differed slightly. The inbound (6005 if there are any international rail enthusiasts reading this) was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable by the time I approached the city, but the return (6101) was better. As expected, the tram wasn't at all comfortable, but possibly slightly better than Metrolink's "yellow perils".

I don't think I've ever commented on seat comfort of buses, and I'm not sure how the existence of comfortable buses contradicts having well integrated bus and rail services. Stockholm is a typically integrated network and you seem to have been reasonably well served by it.

You are on the "International Transport" section and there are a lot of non-UK based readers here. You won't see them "banging the drum" about integration because to them it is normal and so won't be that interested in discussing it.
 
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Stockholm is a typically integrated network
That's because SL, the public transport authority for Stockholm, manage things quite well. SL is best compared to Transport for London: they coördinate services in and around the city and provide a coherent fare structure. The actual operations are contracted out to various subcontractors such as Arriva and MTR.

There's one difference between SL and TfL: in London you can travel on National Rail services with an Oyster Card or valid London Travelcard. In Stockholm, you aren't allowed to take SJ trains (Intercity, Nattåg, Regional, Snabbtåg) with an SL ticket or SL Access Card. You'll have to purchase a separate SJ ticket.
 

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There's one difference between SL and TfL: in London you can travel on National Rail services with an Oyster Card or valid London Travelcard. In Stockholm, you aren't allowed to take SJ trains (Intercity, Nattåg, Regional, Snabbtåg) with an SL ticket or SL Access Card. You'll have to purchase a separate SJ ticket.

True, but in London National Rail fares are not well integrated with other modes unless you hit a daily Oyster cap. National Rail is an integral part of London's city transport system whereas you can largely get by within the urban region of Stockholm by using non-SJ trains. It is not that unusual for national train company fares to be excluded from municipal fare systems in otherwise well integrated networks.
 

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It really depends on the area and how frequent the buses and trains are. For example, it is normal in Switzerland for buses to wait at least a few minutes for late running trains at village or suburban stations where buses are clearly timetabled to meet the trains. Where buses are frequent, that is less likely to happen.



I don't think I've ever commented on seat comfort of buses, and I'm not sure how the existence of comfortable buses contradicts having well integrated bus and rail services. Stockholm is a typically integrated network and you seem to have been reasonably well served by it.

You are on the "International Transport" section and there are a lot of non-UK based readers here. You won't see them "banging the drum" about integration because to them it is normal and so won't be that interested in discussing it.

Slight misunderstanding, your comment about seat comfort concerned the Tram to which you suggested I took a cushion(!)

Yes, it worked reasonably well, but it was one occasion and the last bit nearly failed - albeit I'm guessing both train and 583 continued to be every 15 minutes for a while longer (this was 1900hrs). For integration to work here, you need either a virtual 100% guarantee that all connections will be made and/or complimentary frequent headways and/or 100% manning of interchange points to a. supply taxi vouchers when he system fails and b. protect passengers from ne'r do wells. We are so far apart from having the political will and social responsibility for any of these, that I will tell you now - it WON'T work until at least the second half of the 21st Century.
 

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Yes, it worked reasonably well, but it was one occasion and the last bit nearly failed - albeit I'm guessing both train and 583 continued to be every 15 minutes for a while longer (this was 1900hrs). For integration to work here, you need either a virtual 100% guarantee that all connections will be made and/or complimentary frequent headways and/or 100% manning of interchange points to a. supply taxi vouchers when he system fails and b. protect passengers from ne'r do wells. We are so far apart from having the political will and social responsibility for any of these, that I will tell you now - it WON'T work until at least the second half of the 21st Century.

There is no perfect transport system. Disruption will occur from time to time. Some countries have more reliable trains than others, but there is no 100% punctual train service anywhere in the world, not even Switzerland or Japan. Some countries have excellent bus priority, like the Netherlands, but even there, buses sometimes run late. So connections will be missed from time to time. But what is the alternative? You can't run a direct bus from everywhere to everywhere, so people will be relying on connections unless everyone organises their lives so that all journeys can be carried out by a direct bus.
 

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There is no perfect transport system. Disruption will occur from time to time. Some countries have more reliable trains than others, but there is no 100% punctual train service anywhere in the world, not even Switzerland or Japan. Some countries have excellent bus priority, like the Netherlands, but even there, buses sometimes run late. So connections will be missed from time to time. But what is the alternative? You can't run a direct bus from everywhere to everywhere, so people will be relying on connections unless everyone organises their lives so that all journeys can be carried out by a direct bus.

Not literally everywhere to everywhere, but most low car ownership areas have had direct buses to the main sources of jobs and services for many a decade so you aren't going to reduce car dependency and congestion by introducing yet another negative to the alternative.
 
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afaik there are NO printed maps for SL since many, many years. On the main info-shop at Centralen they stil had the last printed one hanging on, with notes to that effect, and that was many years old.

Printed pocket "tube maps" for SL are available in the underpass between Stockholm Central and T-Centralan near the storage lockers; they form part of the "ticket information" leaflets - I picked up three on Monday - and they are also in every free Stockholm street Map which can be gotten from the information desk in Stockholm Central. There is also a Linjekartor map app.
 

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Is there a "human face" to SL at Arlanda to enquire from or even (hope against hope) obtain map(s)?

There is staff at the desk at the entrance to Stockholm Central Station in SkyCity who can sell you tickets (specifically the Arlanda Passage supplement (120kr)) and the main tourist information desk in T5 can provide you with SL Access cards

How do I get from Grona Lund to Bromma Airport?

Ferry to Slussen, metro green line to Bromma.
 
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