The works are solely for the benefit of Transdev, maybe they should have moved something. They got £2.2m from the low emission bus scheme https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ission-bus-scheme-winning-bidders.csv/preview (note that, per bus, Transdev's is the costliest scheme for the taxpayer).
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Competition heats up between Transdev and Connexions
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The works are solely for the benefit of Transdev, maybe they should have moved something. They got £2.2m from the low emission bus scheme https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ission-bus-scheme-winning-bidders.csv/preview (note that, per bus, Transdev's is the costliest scheme for the taxpayer).
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Why annoy more passengers that you have to? You can normally count the number of passengers (assuming their are any) on a X4 or X12 on one hand.
The electric buses and charging arrangements they are getting are unique in the country; it will be a scheme that will be watched to see if there are notable benefits and that would have been a consideration in the grant award.
The electric buses and charging arrangements they are getting are unique in the country; it will be a scheme that will be watched to see if there are notable benefits and that would have been a consideration in the grant award.
What's unique about them, and why can't Transdev just use a proven design? (Other than there being fewer photo ops, of course)
TheGrandWazoo
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Because potentially the charging is quicker and more reliable than inductive charging plates and the design is proven overseas but not in the UK.
Hence it’s the first use in this country and if you had inductive charging infrastructure, they would still need to have site works.
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And presumably one of the reasons Transdev Blazefield got the grant award was being one of few operators who actually own a bus station and hence can readily provide the overhead pantographs and other necessary facilities. subject to planning permission etc which they have obtained. A fundamental difference to the inductive charge system is that the bus is unloading/loading up whilst being charged whereas with inductive charging the bus is parked up.
Not strictly relevant to your post but I thought I would add it on. The express buses that Transdev have put on to Whitby from Leeds are in the timetable as being run by the Pride of the North Fleet, to me it does not make much sense as surely you would want one of the newer buses which has all of the gizmos rather than the Pride of the North buses which I believe have WiFi, leather seats and not much else.
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TheGrandWazoo
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I don't know.... how many times is that in recent years?
To be honest, these are seasonal extras and makes sense to keep the core fleet on the core running cards. Also, aside from wifi and leather seating, not sure what other gizmos are really needed (other than USB charging)?
As an aside, it does show how what was super and new a few years ago (2011/2) is now regarded as not only standard but almost a human right
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Not sure how much an increase in the York to Leeds return will be (either 50p or £1 as per their article) but the CityZap launched in April 2016. When it launched a Student return was £5 and a standard return was £8 (source: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...etween-transdev-and-connexions.123518/page-23)
They're now going to be £7 and £10 (at least) respectively - representing a 40% / 25% respectively increase in ticket prices in just over two years which is pretty damn excessive.
They're now going to be £7 and £10 (at least) respectively - representing a 40% / 25% respectively increase in ticket prices in just over two years which is pretty damn excessive.
That's because the 'Coastliner Express' services are supposedly being operated by York depot rather than Malton. Indeed, the X40/X43 are bypassing Malton completely.
True and applies to all operators in North Yorkshire although the rapid rise in fuel prices this year is probably more relevant. Re fares quite often singles are not that much cheaper than returns as operators try to maximise the peanuts they get from NYCC.
And reliability has sunk! City zap decker being recovered from M1 at Aberford this lunchtime by a recovery truck - again!
Yes the York cityzap has suffered really badly with reliability recently
Not unique to Coastliner, Manchester Cityzap sounds like it's had as many Pride of the North or Burnley buses on it as the correctly branded fleet recently, the Witch Way seems to be breaking down more than when the buses were new, and that's without starting on Rosso.
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TheGrandWazoo
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You’ll be telling us next that high speed running allied to warmer summer temperatures causes buses to overheat....
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Yeah, and that never happened in the “good old days” when Leopards and Reliances thundered up and down the highways and byways of the UK. You never heard about them overheating on a warm day, or when climbing a long gradient!
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It's also worth pointing out that Coastliner is reducing its number of services to Filey and Bridlington from three a day to a single 'X43' out and back via Scarborough, which runs only until the end of August.
Tetchytyke
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And the new "express" bus to Bridlington takes longer than the "slow" bus it replaced.
Very surprised that York-Filey-Bridlington can't support more traffic, even with the (limited) competition from EYMS.
That's not correct
Weekdays currently dep Leeds 0945 change at Malton arr Bridlington 1254 (3hr 9)
Saturdays currently Leeds dep 0815 Bridlington arr 1124 (3hr 9)
New service dep Leeds 0850 arr Bridlington 1145 (2hr 55)
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Shame that Connextions haven't dived in and created Coastal Connextions and ran a rival service to Filey and Bridlington from both Leeds and York as I'm sure they'd make a fortune by doing so. The toliet break can be done in Malton Market Place as the toilets there are free.
TheGrandWazoo
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The amount of passengers in winter is pretty paltry and the EYMS deals with lots of overlapping flows.
Went into York from Tadcaster yesterday. £8?! I know the usual bunch will stick up for transdev but that is outrageous. Might have to use the 37 from now on. Coastliner has gone really down hill the last few years and they reward passengers with astronomical prices like that.
TheGrandWazoo
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How much does the 37 charge?
Admittedly hearsay at work today but apparently Connexions had a driver booked by the Police yesterday for diverting along roads which are access only for the large vehicles due to the A59 being closed at Starbeck due to a fire. Transdev diverted along main roads with a shuttle along the A59 from Harrogate as far as their depot.
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