TOCs are required to submit to the DfT passenger numbers for all of their services at least twice a year. This is typically done by external companies, either through manual counts or using the equipment on board.
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Is your train less crowded?
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TOCs are required to submit to the DfT passenger numbers for all of their services at least twice a year. This is typically done by external companies, either through manual counts or using the equipment on board.
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deltic
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The numbers come from ORR statistics and are just passenger kilometres/train kilometres to give average loading per train.
Wouldn't that mean that TOC's that have more services would show a drop in loadings even if the number of passengers have gone up?
squizzler
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I hope the statistics show sensible optimisation of train capacity with demand. It stands to reason that TOCs will increase their train km over time by adding services to busier routes allowing those services to be less crowded. The routes that were carrying fresh air in the bad old days have likely seen no changes to service provision, but overall passenger growth might have given them better occupancy even though overall occupancy for the TOC might have reduced.
Bantamzen
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Yes it would, which was why I wondered what the source and methodology was, although the latter is still not clear.
Justin Smith
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The figures prove there are fewer people travelling by train, there are two main reasons, the economy isn`t doing se well and the fares are far too high. Example : every year I go down to London for the day, last year the tickets (1st class advanced purchase non flexible) cost me £78, this year, for the same approx time of train, I was quoted £110. Nah, I thought, that`s just too much, I won`t bother.
On the economy this explains it all :
On the economy this explains it all :
ChilternTurbo
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I work in Central London and several colleagues have moved out to the Medway area and use HS1 to commute in. They've either capitalised on burgeoning London house prices and sold up or found that you can get a lot more for your money in Kent.
I commute into Marylebone with Chiltern on the Aylesbury line and with new houses and entire estates popping up in the Aylesbury area I've noticed an increase in passenger numbers on my route.
deltic
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The figures prove there are fewer people travelling by train, there are two main reasons, the economy isn`t doing se well and the fares are far too high. Example : every year I go down to London for the day, last year the tickets (1st class advanced purchase non flexible) cost me £78, this year, for the same approx time of train, I was quoted £110. Nah, I thought, that`s just too much, I won`t bother.
On the economy this explains it all :
On the economy side - growth is still positive but passenger numbers are declining while in the last recession passenger numbers were actually rising. Commuting numbers are driven by employment numbers which are at record highs. However, we are seeing changing work patterns and as you say the move to increase the proportion of costs borne by users rather than taxpayers is having an impact.
Esker-pades
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If one looks at the most recent entrance/exit figures for Southern stations, most show some form of decline for the most recent period (I would guess due to the strikes).
I commute from Market Harborough. The 05.57 is quite, but it’s now 9 or 10 carriages (from 5) and no longer stops at Bedford. The 06.19 is the same as it ever was, about 2/3rds full by the time it stops at Kettering and Wellingborough.
But.. coming home the 15.34, which used to be the 15.15 I guess and the 16.34 (16.15) are so much quieter. I’m not sure where the people going home have gone.
But.. coming home the 15.34, which used to be the 15.15 I guess and the 16.34 (16.15) are so much quieter. I’m not sure where the people going home have gone.
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