WMTrains livery and station branding

59CosG95 · 15 Jul 2018

At risk of an off-topic deviation from the thread title, I'm going to bring it back to the topic at hand - liveries.
Gen from a source at Northampton Kings Heath tells me that the 350/1s are due to have corrosion repairs after the /2s are all done, and the /1s will then be repainted after that

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xc170 · 15 Jul 2018

59CosG95 said:
At risk of an off-topic deviation from the thread title, I'm going to bring it back to the topic at hand - liveries.
Gen from a source at Northampton Kings Heath tells me that the 350/1s are due to have corrosion repairs after the /2s are all dine, and the /1s will then be repainted after that

Strange that such modern units need corrosion repairs...

Chris172 · 15 Jul 2018

xc170 said:
Strange that such modern units need corrosion repairs...

They are around 10 years old and the bogies are the part of the train that will corrode the earliest as they are exposed to the elements, shock of bouncing around and general wear and tear. So like tyres they need to be change and corrosion proof for a good number of years.

Found this on google about corrosion and trains it’s in Norwegian and English

https://daim.idi.ntnu.no/masteroppgaver/014/14318/masteroppgave.pdf

59CosG95 · 16 Jul 2018

Chris172 said:
They are around 10 years old and the bogies are the part of the train that will corrode the earliest as they are exposed to the elements, shock of bouncing around and general wear and tear. So like tyres they need to be change and corrosion proof for a good number of years.

Found this on google about corrosion and trains it’s in Norwegian and English

https://daim.idi.ntnu.no/masteroppgaver/014/14318/masteroppgave.pdf

Indeed! As the /1s are older than the /2s, and Porterbrook wanted the /2s to be handed back in good nick (e.g. corrosion repairs), I think WMT decided it would make sense to do similar with the /1s. Of course, killing two birds with 1 stone to get the livery and (possibly) interior redone seems logical...

sd0733 · 16 Jul 2018

The 1s are due a C6 very soon anyway, a fleet manager said that all the external work Will be done together, corrosion repairs, overhaul and repaint.

sufian123 · 16 Jul 2018

Can’t they get the rest of 350/3 repainted?

59CosG95 · 16 Jul 2018

sufian123 said:
Can’t they get the rest of 350/3 repainted?

They can, they're just waiting for the opportunity to get the older units (which need it more, let's be honest) in first.
The 350/4s also need to be considered, but that could easily be an overnight vinyl job (at least, externally).

sd0733 · 16 Jul 2018

sufian123 said:
Can’t they get the rest of 350/3 repainted?

The 1s are due a repaint the 3s aren't. Fleet availability is fairly tight there's no benefit in taking units out of traffic to revinyl. I've heard from high up that units will only be reliveried when work is due, they won't be taken out especially

sufian123 · 16 Jul 2018

sd0733 said:
The 1s are due a repaint the 3s aren't. Fleet availability is fairly tight there's no benefit in taking units out of traffic to revinyl. I've heard from high up that units will only be reliveried when work is due, they won't be taken out especially

Thanks

BluePenguin · 17 Jul 2018

I don't like it. There is/was nothing wrong with the light green London Midland branding. Nobody asked for dark green and purple. There is nothing positive to say about the patterned quadrilateral design. I'm looking forward to a more cool and fresh design being delivered by the new company next franchise.

387star · 17 Jul 2018

BluePenguin said:
I don't like it. There is/was nothing wrong with the light green London Midland branding. Nobody asked for dark green and purple. There is nothing positive to say about the patterned quadrilateral design. I'm looking forward to a more cool and fresh design being delivered by the new company next franchise.

That won't happen

We are stuck with this look for decades

Class172 · 17 Jul 2018

BluePenguin said:
I don't like it. There is/was nothing wrong with the light green London Midland branding. Nobody asked for dark green and purple. There is nothing positive to say about the patterned quadrilateral design. I'm looking forward to a more cool and fresh design being delivered by the new company next franchise.

387star said:
That won't happen

We are stuck with this look for decades

Not necessarily decades, given TfWM may re-brand at some point, but you're certainly right that the WMT livery will be around for a good while, since it is separate to the franchising system much like Scotrail and London Overground.

On the other hand, the LNWR livery is tied to the franchise as I understand, so that could change during the next decade.

Rail Blues · 18 Jul 2018

BluePenguin said:
I don't like it. There is/was nothing wrong with the light green London Midland branding. Nobody asked for dark green and purple. There is nothing positive to say about the patterned quadrilateral design. I'm looking forward to a more cool and fresh design being delivered by the new company next franchise.

Nothing wrong with it except for the rather obvious point that it was the branding of the previous operator. As for the idea that no one asked for that particular colour combo that's true, but then they're not running a participatory democracy where branding decisions are put to a public vote.

trash80 · 19 Jul 2018

jhy44 said:
Yes they will. TfWM have confirmed it, it's already a power that is on statute/is now law, and this article literally confirms it, how much more evidence do you need?

And NXWM 4878 is indeed in this livery

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/first-blue-trams-now-red-14930424

xc170 · 19 Jul 2018

trash80 said:
And NXWM 4878 is indeed in this livery

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/first-blue-trams-now-red-14930424

Terrible, much prefer the NXWM crimson livery, this is just a copy of London...

trash80 · 20 Jul 2018

I'd have rather they went to WMPTE blue and yellow but i guess we can say Midland Red is now back!

Coventry buses will remain sky blue but with TfWM branding

DavidGrain · 20 Jul 2018

Could I refer you to a thread on the Buses section of this forum
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/buses-of-the-west-midlands-2018.162080/
where you will see in my posts 9 & 10 I have compared the new livery for West Midland buses with the old Midland Red. What goes around comes around.

Actually I realise that the Midland Red shows the genuine Midland Red livery rather than the National Bus red livery. The bus shown would have had three liveries as it was repainted in Wumpty blue and yellow.

The Mayor of the West Midlands has said that the trains will be orange, the trams blue and the buses red to show that it is an integrated transport system. Er?

dorsetdesiro · 20 Jul 2018

trash80 said:
Coventry buses will remain sky blue but with TfWM branding

DavidGrain said:
The Mayor of the West Midlands has said that the trains will be orange, the trams blue and the buses red to show that it is an integrated transport system. Er?

There may be no plans to extend the Midland Metro to Coventry otherwise TfWM's colour coordinated policy will be up in the air with both buses & trams in blue in Coventry!

dorsetdesiro · 20 Jul 2018

If a future tram system is introduced for Coventry, then I suppose this may be branded separately to the Metro if both systems are not linked. With a different name and the Coventry buses already in blue, then another colour will have to be selected for the Coventry trams therefore complicating TfWM's colour coordinated policy more!

DavidGrain · 20 Jul 2018

As the West Midlands Metro is planned to reach the Airport and the NEC then logic would suggest a line from Coventry to connect with it.

trash80 · 20 Jul 2018

DavidGrain said:
The Mayor of the West Midlands has said that the trains will be orange, the trams blue and the buses red to show that it is an integrated transport system. Er?

The mayor said the coventry buses would remain sky blue on twitter this morning

Class172 · 20 Jul 2018

This has recently appeared on Facebook, showing a 172 part-way through a new livery being applied. It is clear that this livery is different to what we have previously seen, with the purple ends apparently ditched in favour of orange.

sufian123 · 20 Jul 2018

Class172 said:
This has recently appeared on Facebook, showing a 172 part way through a new livery being applied. It is clear that this livery is different to what we have previously seen, with the purple ends apparently ditched in favour of orange.

Hi yes wmr confirmed on twitter. 172339 is And only purple liveried ‘limited edition’ they called it. Rest will be orange. It maybe repainted later.

387star · 20 Jul 2018

sufian123 said:
Hi yes wmr confirmed on twitter. 172339 is And only purple liveried ‘limited edition’ they called it. Rest will be orange. It maybe repainted later.

Following Overground

superalbs · 20 Jul 2018

Class172 said:
This has recently appeared on Facebook, showing a 172 part-way through a new livery being applied. It is clear that this livery is different to what we have previously seen, with the purple ends apparently ditched in favour of orange.

Top-right appears to be a 170.

sufian123 · 20 Jul 2018

387star said:
Following Overground

Purple still exist if you see the images. Nothing compared to 172339.

59CosG95 · 20 Jul 2018

superalbs said:
Top-right appears to be a 170.

So it does. Must be a temporary vinyl job then.
(Obviously all the stock will be vinyled, but I wasn't banking on the 170s having it, given that they're due to leave soon! This might explain what's occurring with the 323s as well)

jhy44 · 20 Jul 2018

Appears to be much more of a 'gold' than an 'orange', which looks much better imo. Orange is an incredibly garish and 80s colour.

The Orange used to paint lamposts at Wolverhampton, Adderley Park and Water Orton is very much Orange though, so will the stations and trains be different colours? Or will they be repainted Gold too?

jhy44 · 20 Jul 2018

Spirit555 said:
NX buses will not loose the livery or brand. They are not associated in any way with TfWM. They are a private company as are all bus companies that operate in the West Midlands. TfWM only sponsor certain services or journeys

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/first-blue-trams-now-red-14930424

What were you saying NX buses not losing their livery again hun? *sips tea*

59CosG95 · 20 Jul 2018

jhy44 said:
Appears to be much more of a 'gold' than an 'orange', which looks much better imo. Orange is an incredibly garish and 80s colour.

The Orange used to paint lamposts at Wolverhampton, Adderley Park and Water Orton is very much Orange though, so will the stations and trains be different colours? Or will they be repainted Gold too?

I think it's more of an orange than a gold, but the "shiny and new" appearance of the vinyled livery gives off the illusion that it's gold.

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