craigybagel
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I think it's more likely you'll find it's the story itself that's bullxxxx.....
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I think it's more likely you'll find it's the story itself that's bullxxxx.....
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Must be pretty serious if it requires withdrawing, especially given ATW's current shortage of stock.
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Seen elsewhere structural problems so too costly to repair in view of it's now short lifetime. Can be just as useful as a Depot Christmas tree especially as spares seem to be difficult to source of late More or less repeating Post #61
Surely you can't be serious. If that's true, are everyone else's 158s only 35 flushes too?jungle drums are saying the 158 tanks will only take 35 flushes before needing emptying.......
While the 158s could presumbly avoid long stays anywhere like Carmarthen, I imagine there must be quite a few diagrams that start at Machynlleth/Pwllheli and end up back there at the end of the day. In contrast I think only one of the 175s that starts its day at Carmarthen ends up back there at the end of its diagram; the others all end up elsewhere, probably somewhere that can empty the tanks. Thus the 175s will be away from a main depot for three days worth of flushing at most; cycling all 24 class 158s to Chester, Holyhead and Canton every three days could be a challange unless the tanks can be emptied quickly while a unit is in Holyhead after working a Birmingham service.
No idea how true it is, what I do know is everyone else’s 158s don’t have massive amounts of ERTMS equipment. That takes up so much room! So it wouldn’t surprise me. The tanks on a 175 aren’t big enough to cope with demand so this could turn into a disaster if it’s true!
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The ATW MD Tom Joyner is taking Qs on twitter from 7:30am tomorrow. Anyone fancy asking him whether he expects any 769s in service with ATW before October 13th? 
(And more accurately, if you do, do you actually expect a proper answer?)
Why volunteer to do it though? He's bound to just get a barrage of angry tweets about short forms and cancellations
(And more accurately, if you do, do you actually expect a proper answer?)
Why volunteer to do it though? He's bound to just get a barrage of angry tweets about short forms and cancellations
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The ATW MD Tom Joyner is taking Qs on twitter from 7:30am tomorrow. Anyone fancy asking him whether he expects any 769s in service with ATW before October 13th?
(And more accurately, if you do, do you actually expect a proper answer?)
Why volunteer to do it though? He's bound to just get a barrage of angry tweets about short forms and cancellations
The 769s are becoming a pipe dream
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Someone from Porterbrook or TfW just needs to admit it so alternative plans can be made instead of all this faffing around
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It would probably be quicker to get some wires up somewhere (anywhere!) and use them as 319s.
The 17.52 ex Manchester has also had its timetable changed after Chester. The units used to split at Llandudno Junction and form the 19.50 to Holyhead and the 19.55 to Llandudno.
Since the change, they dont arrive until 20.05. The Llandudno portion then spends 20 mins sat at Junction before departing at 20.24. Closely followed by the 20.30 service!! (Ex Shrewsbury or Birmingham not sure).
So Llandudno passengers have had half an hour per day added to their journey from Manchester.
That has surprised me too. They both sit on 4 now waiting for the virgin to go past. Do you know if it has anything to do with the ferry timetable at all??
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The 1752 now waits at Chester for the 1510 from Swansea to arrive and attach. I don't know for certain, but I'm assuming that by the time it gets to Llandudno Junction, and splits again, the Virgin is too close behind to not get held up by the long signal section across Anglesea - and God forbid anything risks getting in the way of Beardie's trainset! - so it's forced to wait for the Virgin to go through first?
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As I predicted, Tom Joyner was hit with a barrage of tweets / rants about short forms, overcrowding, cancellations etc this morning. I'm not sure what it achieved having him on twitter for a 'Q&A'.
Some people saying stupid things like the PRM mods shouldn't be done (e.g. sod disabled people), cancel daytime trains 'to prioritise commuters' (e.g. sod leisure travellers in high summer). Pretty depressing stuff from the public.
No mention of 769s, which is in marked contrast to 12 months ago when ATW twitter were linking to the story about the 769s in reply to every tweet about overcrowding. They are not coming anytime soon, or ever.
Some people saying stupid things like the PRM mods shouldn't be done (e.g. sod disabled people), cancel daytime trains 'to prioritise commuters' (e.g. sod leisure travellers in high summer). Pretty depressing stuff from the public.
No mention of 769s, which is in marked contrast to 12 months ago when ATW twitter were linking to the story about the 769s in reply to every tweet about overcrowding. They are not coming anytime soon, or ever.
PHILIPE
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If the PRM Mods are not done within the time scale come January 1st 2020 there will be an awful lot of cancellations.
With there being 1 less 142 now, has a pacer diagram been replaced by something else, a 4 car been short formed or is there just 1 less pacer booked for maintenance?
It will be interesting to see how ATW manage next week with the Royal Welsh Show. There is a 150+153 or 2 x 150 normally booked for the extra train whilst most others get strengthened from one carriage to two or three carriages.
It will be interesting to see how ATW manage next week with the Royal Welsh Show. There is a 150+153 or 2 x 150 normally booked for the extra train whilst most others get strengthened from one carriage to two or three carriages.
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Just work with one unit less. Re Show, see Post #30 and can also also adjust planned Exams
For the benefit of the others not in the Pacer group in regards to the status of 142073.
Here is the information from Gemini this afternoon. Make of it what you will. Previously in the week it was showing as 'waiting parts'
Diagram:
Current working: No current working
TRUST report: No train running information available
Preassignment:
Restrictions:
Status: Status N / SERVICEABLE
Next Exam: A:XA02 in 2947
B:XB12 in 12898
Major:XB12 in 12898
Here is the information from Gemini this afternoon. Make of it what you will. Previously in the week it was showing as 'waiting parts'
Diagram:
Current working: No current working
TRUST report: No train running information available
Preassignment:
Restrictions:
Status: Status N / SERVICEABLE
Next Exam: A:XA02 in 2947
B:XB12 in 12898
Major:XB12 in 12898
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Seems a lot of Newport - Cardiff shuttles for speedway have been cancelled “Due to shortage of train crew” surely they mean more trains out for PRM mods!
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Llandudno Junction doesn't stable any stock overnight on a regular basis: it all comes down ECS from Chester each morning.
Not entirely correct. The unit off the 1934 from Cardiff stables overnight every Saturday.
The important point to remember about Genius (which feeds Web Gemini) is the information is only as good as the data input. It does not necessarily reflect the real world. A click of a mouse can change the status to one of several options.
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Traincrew have received briefings on the modifications to 158s, so hopefully that means the first set will be back in service shortly.
As well as having tanks fitted a few other modifications have taken place to improve the toilets in general, as well as PRM mods to the units which mostly involve some changes to some of the internal and external doors, including the fitting of door opening alarms.
As well as having tanks fitted a few other modifications have taken place to improve the toilets in general, as well as PRM mods to the units which mostly involve some changes to some of the internal and external doors, including the fitting of door opening alarms.
PHILIPE
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And the Blaenau Ffestiniog unit on a Summer Sunday. They berth in the Bay, Platform 2
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Any news on when modified 150/2s will be back in service?
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I think 264 already is.
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all very well but it just means another 150 can be taken out of traffic to go for the mods........
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According to a FB group, it's got a bent underframe. Can now been seen permanently stabled in Canton on the mainline side (well it was last week).
Any pics from anyone that's been on it will be appreciated
PHILIPE
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Yesterday was usual 150+153 combo but today, 3 Cars again - 175103
Indeed, I saw it! Quite a nice surprise as 175s going up the Heart of Wales is very rare. Seems ATW have good availability at the moment. I saw an evening service yesterday heading off to Ebbw Vale which was 175 operated, and the one that terminated at Cardiff from there a few minutes later was also a 175.
Literally anything ATW operate other than 158s could operate the Builth Rd special, but fortunately no pacers have worked the special IIRC in recent years, despite being cleared to there.
Every time I’m in ATW territory, I’m now keeping my eye out for any PRM mod 158s and 150s.
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