Jorge Da Silva
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In the East Midlands Franchise ITT, it has been been planned that the service will become hourly but my grandma says it used to be hourly years ago but can anyone tell me if this is true and if so when?
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Grimsby to Lincoln Service frequencies in previous timetables?
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70014IronDuke
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Has it ever been hourly?
Jorge Da Silva
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I’ve only heard this and never seen evidence. It is good now it will be hourly.
backontrack
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I wonder if there's potential for a couple of moree stations on the line - one at Cherry Willingham/Reepham and another in the environs of Caistor.
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Probably not a lot of potential for a station Reepham/Cherry Willingham. Both villages have a quite reliable half-hourly bus service during the day, passing through most of both villages which goes to the new Lincoln Bus Station, now just across the road from Lincoln station in 15-20 minutes. Unless passengers want to go beyond Lincoln, why would they walk to the railway station when the buses go nearer their houses. Currently the trains on that line only go to Newark Northgate so would not be particularly helpful if people want to go to Nottingham or beyond.
Caister might be a better bet since it has only a two hourly bus service for most of the day to Lincoln (taking over an hour) or Grimsby so train might have an advantage, however the railway line is about 3 miles from the centre of Caister so users would probably have to go by car to the station and if they have to get in a car they might chose to drive to their destination.
Perhaps build a new large village/small town to solve(?) the housing crisis, next to or around the railway somewhere between Barnetby and Market Rasen might be an idea, rather than expanding numerous existing villages in the area which are not near the railway. Then it might be worth building a railway station.
Caister might be a better bet since it has only a two hourly bus service for most of the day to Lincoln (taking over an hour) or Grimsby so train might have an advantage, however the railway line is about 3 miles from the centre of Caister so users would probably have to go by car to the station and if they have to get in a car they might chose to drive to their destination.
Perhaps build a new large village/small town to solve(?) the housing crisis, next to or around the railway somewhere between Barnetby and Market Rasen might be an idea, rather than expanding numerous existing villages in the area which are not near the railway. Then it might be worth building a railway station.
Unless you are wanting a connection to London, Newark Northgate is not particularly a good destination for these trains. For anyone visiting Newark, Castle station is probably more conveniently situated.
Perhaps if Lincoln ever does get it’s 2 hourly direct trains to London, then there could be at least a 2 hourly service from Grimsby or Cleethorpes to Nottingham, which would be a useful destination for many people.
Perhaps if Lincoln ever does get it’s 2 hourly direct trains to London, then there could be at least a 2 hourly service from Grimsby or Cleethorpes to Nottingham, which would be a useful destination for many people.
Xenophon PCDGS
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It is seemingly a mantra of some people that rail travel is the best method of travel, even it entails a much longer walk to a railway station than their nearest bus stop, conveniently forgetting that the current "Indian Summer" weather does not repeat itself in the winter months.
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As part of the new franchise Grimsby services will run through to at least Nottingham instead of Newark Northgate.
I'm not sure if the Grimsby - Lincoln line has ever been hourly as its always been somewhat of a secondary due to Lincoln being a fairly sleepy place until recently. There were definitely more services than currently even around 20 years ago.
Hopefully the hourly service will finally realise the potential of the line. Significantly improving the parking facilities and looking at improving the linespeed further above 75mph will hopefully come after the extra sercives creating a true intercity route for Lincolnshire.
DynamicSpirit
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Yes. I have timetables from summer 1996 and summer 2000. They both show the service ran Grimsby-Lincoln with most trains continuing to Nottingham and a few continuing beyond to places like Coventry (via Nuneaton). On the downside, the frequency East of Lincoln was slightly less than 2-hourly (some 2-and-a-half hour gaps during the day).
Jorge Da Silva
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Do you have any evidence of services running to Nottingham from Grimsby as part of the new franchise?
clagmonster
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From the TSR2 document for weekdays:
"Fourteen services between Lincoln and Nottingham shall also call at Grimsby Town"
"Thirteen services between Nottingham and Lincoln shall also call at Grimsby Town"
https://assets.publishing.service.g...e/714308/attachment-a-tsr2-tables-weekday.pdf
"Fourteen services between Lincoln and Nottingham shall also call at Grimsby Town"
"Thirteen services between Nottingham and Lincoln shall also call at Grimsby Town"
https://assets.publishing.service.g...e/714308/attachment-a-tsr2-tables-weekday.pdf
Good news for Grimsby and other stations on the route. An extension to Cleethorpes would have been useful especially in the summer months for day trips from Nottingham, Newark and Lincoln to the seaside! An alternative to Skegness.
eastdyke
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So is the implication here that the Newark Northgate - Lincoln service will then not continue to Grimsby? Can't see that there would need to be more than 13/14 trains Lincoln-Grimsby.
Historically, well pre-Beeching, there was only a handful of weekday trains from Grimsby - Lincoln and none on Sundays (the main route south from Grimsby being to Louth - Boston - Spalding - Peterborough).
The summer 1955 TT shows 7 tpd, most being through trains Lincoln - Cleethorpes.
eastwestdivide
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1978 timetable, Mon-Fri departures from Grimsby to Lincoln at:
0610‡
0718*
0743
0927
1125†
1330*
1543
1744*
1826‡
1921
* = Cleethorpes-Kings Cross trains.
‡ = change at Barnetby into trains starting from Barnetby at 0639 and 1852.
† = the 1114 Cleethorpes to Crewe via Lincoln St Marks, Nottingham, Derby, Crewe arrival 1552. At that time, the Cl.120 DMUs worked those Crewe-Derby-Lincoln trains and this extension to them.
Journey times on the through trains all pretty much 1 hour Grimsby-Lincoln.
Much later edit for clarity: all the services between Grimsby and Lincoln were through from Cleethorpes apart from those two odd Barnetby starters - see also post 30 below.
0610‡
0718*
0743
0927
1125†
1330*
1543
1744*
1826‡
1921
* = Cleethorpes-Kings Cross trains.
‡ = change at Barnetby into trains starting from Barnetby at 0639 and 1852.
† = the 1114 Cleethorpes to Crewe via Lincoln St Marks, Nottingham, Derby, Crewe arrival 1552. At that time, the Cl.120 DMUs worked those Crewe-Derby-Lincoln trains and this extension to them.
Journey times on the through trains all pretty much 1 hour Grimsby-Lincoln.
Much later edit for clarity: all the services between Grimsby and Lincoln were through from Cleethorpes apart from those two odd Barnetby starters - see also post 30 below.
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eastwestdivide
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2005 timetable, Mon-Fri departures from Grimsby-Lincoln at:
0558
0703
0928
1128
1352
1603
1830
2121
All except the last were through to Newark NG, while the first and last started back from Cleethorpes.
All were CT = Central Trains
Journey times Grimsby-Lincoln around 55 mins.
0558
0703
0928
1128
1352
1603
1830
2121
All except the last were through to Newark NG, while the first and last started back from Cleethorpes.
All were CT = Central Trains
Journey times Grimsby-Lincoln around 55 mins.
DynamicSpirit
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That seems to me just slightly on the low side for a decent hourly service. I would have imagined an absolute bare minimum might be hourly from 7am to 7pm then 9pm = 14 trains. A more attractive and 'proper' hourly service would be something like 6am to 10pm = 17 trains.
Puffing Devil
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I'm wondering why all trains don't run through to Cleethorpes?
Jorge Da Silva
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The service terminates at Grimsby Town at the bay platform 3 which used to be a through platform until the 1980’s when the platform became a bay platform and the line to Cleethorpes was singled.
SteveyBee131
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They don't tend to provide extra trains, but do usually put more carriages on. The usual traction is a single 153 (per service), but it isn't unheard of to see a pair of 156s or 156+153 combination on one service on race days.
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backontrack
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'some people'
Please explain, Paul. I'm afraid I don't quite get what you mean.
backontrack
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I see, thanks. I have only a little local experience in the area.
lyndhurst25
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From the 1978 timetable posted above, it seems that even before the 1980s rationalisations , apart from the 3x London and a single Crewe service, trains from Lincoln still terminated at Grimsby, rather than Cleethorpes. It looks like it's one of those historical service patterns that nobody has bothered to change because that's the way it's always been.
It would make sense to extend all trains to Cleethorpes. The station there currently has three platforms in use. If that's not enough then one of the other three disused ones could be brought back into use. The one nearest the sea still has track in place, buried under sand. If the Grand Central Cleethorpes to London service gets the go ahead then would more platforms have to be opened at Cleethorpes to accommodate that? Another option would be to terminate the Barton on Humber branch trains at Grimsby platform 3, to free up capacity and allow trains from Lincoln to go all the way to Cleethorpes.
Jorge Da Silva
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Wouldn't redoubling of the Grimsby-Cleethorpes section be required if the bi-hourly (soon to be hourly) Lincoln service was to be extended to Cleethorpes. I do agree though that we need more platforms for the additional services to Cleethorpes as I live in Cleethorpes so I know the situation. Platform's 4,5 and 6 were closed in the 1980's (although I wasn't alive in 80's or 90's) as part of the rationalisation. Platform 1 at Cleethorpes was reopened in 2007 after being deemed 'unsafe' in 2001.
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Jorge Da Silva
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What services used to run to Cleethorpes?
clagmonster
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Aside for late night, early morning and the Saturday Brigg line service, online 2 platforms are normally in use at any one time. It would be relatively easy to reopen platform 4 (formerly 5), as it is fully signalled, but the platform would need fettling or possibly even rebuilding, I'm not sure how far gone it is. Platform 6 would need resignalling work and is prone to sand blowing over, the original platform 4 has had track lifted. I suspect that 4 platforms will always be sufficient, capacity on the single line would become an issue before platform capacity would.
SteveyBee131
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There is a passing loop on the single line section which still is available for use. Only last week it got used as delays elsewhere made it necessary. Services would need to be well scheduled but it would be doable, in theory at least!
Puffing Devil
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Thanks for the reply - though I was wondering why the train didn't run all the way through to Cleethorpes, rather than stopping just short in Grimsby.
eastwestdivide
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Sorry, I wasn't very clear in that post - all the services were through from Cleethorpes apart from those two odd Barnetby starters. I only asterisked the ones with "interesting" destinations. The OP asked about the level of service from Grimsby to Lincoln, so that's what I showed.
I've edited my earlier post to clarify
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