Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

InOban · 28 Jul 2018

Yes. One would have thought that they would have known on Wednesday, when the path appeared in the system, whether there was a unit ready to move two days later.

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Stopper · 28 Jul 2018

I travelled on my first 385s today, Linlithgow to Glasgow and return. The ride was very smooth but the seats are horrendously uncomfortable, even worse than the 380 and 365 seats. I guess once I manage to get on one in the peaks it won’t matter as I’ll likely be standing, as there were even people standing today.

Chuggington21 · 28 Jul 2018

scotraildriver said:
Just womdered if anyone has a technical reason the pantographs on these units face the opposite way to every other Scotrail EMU? ie the knuckle is at the coach end normally but these are the other way around?

Don't know the technical reason but the 365 knuckle points in the same direction

clc · 28 Jul 2018

Might take a wee trip to Edinburgh today. The 1315 from Glasgow should be a 385 is that right?

greyman42 · 28 Jul 2018

mde said:
Al Dalton from the Scotsman shared this picture which captures more of the moquette - I'm pleased to see it's real moquette too and not that flat cloth rubbish being used elsewhere…

Image description: Two fainsa 'ironing board' seats with a dark blue moquette and brightly coloured icons depicting various passengers who might use a 'Priority seat' (pregnant, persons carrying children, folks with mobility aids, a person with a broken leg etc).

It won't matter what moquette they use, the ironing board will still be horrendously uncomfortable.

PaxVobiscum · 28 Jul 2018

Apologies again for the blatant plug and for double posting (this is already on the Glasgow Queen Street thread), but it might be of interest.

Driver training on 385014/015 from about 1’ 29” followed by a look at the 385 features shot on 385104/103 on the first day in service.

(Contains some dodgy continuity and flashing lights - has anyone found a frame rate to stop this happening on the headlights and PIS?)

Link to video:

laseandre · 28 Jul 2018

PaxVobiscum said:
Apologies again for the blatant plug and for double posting (this is already on the Glasgow Queen Street thread), but it might be of interest.

Driver training on 385014/015 from about 1’ 29” followed by a look at the 385 features shot on 385104/103 on the first day in service.

(Contains some dodgy continuity and flashing lights - has anyone found a frame rate to stop this happening on the headlights and PIS?)

Link to video: vimeo.com/282074162

Hey, you might need to edit that link, the code for it has gone haywire somewhere along the line. Fixed link:

PaxVobiscum · 28 Jul 2018

Thanks lasandre!

I was trying to avoid embedding it in this thread (seemed a bit presumptuous) and just posting as a link, but funny things seemed to have happened as you say.

EDIT: It no longer seems possible just to post the link without the “https://“
header, and when I tried to correct it and posted the full link it went wheech and embedded itself again :lol:

Thanks for your help.

Scotrail88 · 28 Jul 2018

With these and the 365s are the drivers opening doors and conductors closing??

InOban · 28 Jul 2018

Delivery Paths are in RTT for both Tuesday and Friday next week. We'll see.

clc · 28 Jul 2018

I was at Queen St from 1240 until 1400 but the new train didn’t make an appearance. I asked a couple of Scotrail gate line staff whether it was operating today but they were pretty clueless. Didn’t see it at Waverley either.

Voyager lad · 28 Jul 2018

I was out in both Glasgow and Edinburgh today and only saw 385s at Eastield TMD

ld0595 · 28 Jul 2018

Seems like they weren’t out today. I was at Queen Street between 10:45 and 12:00 in the hope to catch one to Edinburgh. I eventually just took the 12:00 which was a 380/1 and took the 16:15 home which was a 365. I saw at least three 385s at Eastfield but none out in service.

Rail Blues · 28 Jul 2018

clc said:
I was at Queen St from 1240 until 1400 but the new train didn’t make an appearance. I asked a couple of Scotrail gate line staff whether it was operating today but they were pretty clueless. Didn’t see it at Waverley either.

I think you are being grossly unfair to gateline staff , they are there to assist passengers to the right platform, prevent folk from fare evading and help people who can't get through the automatic barriers, not keep track of what individual unit is diagramed on to satisfy trainspotters

youngac · 28 Jul 2018

Anyone know if any other units will be accepted by ScotRail anytime soon? I imagine they want as many units in service as possible for the festival.

scotraildriver · 29 Jul 2018

It wasn't out today as it's not allowed out yet without Hitachi engineers on board, and they have a day off after a mega hectic week and long hours getting it into service. There are plenty of orher sets just now before more go to Northern.

mde · 29 Jul 2018

greyman42 said:
It won't matter what moquette they use, the ironing board will still be horrendously uncomfortable.

The moquette has nothing to do with that though. The point is, some TOCs have switched to flat cloth (such as the ex ScotRail 170s at northern) - it doesn't wear well and stains really easily. Makes your new/refurbished train looks rubbish internally and will end up costing more on cosmetic maintenance.

380101 · 29 Jul 2018

Scotrail88 said:
With these and the 365s are the drivers opening doors and conductors closing??

Yes, Driver opens and Conductor closes. This was the agreement reached by ScotRail and the unions for operation of Electric units outwith the Strathclyde area (apart from the Airdrie - Bathgate line services).

92002 · 29 Jul 2018

clc said:
Might take a wee trip to Edinburgh today. The 1315 from Glasgow should be a 385 is that right?

Saturday is maintenance day for the two sets. Guess you will need to return after more have started working, which will have a different day.

route101 · 30 Jul 2018

Are just Mon to Fri and the moment?

92002 · 30 Jul 2018

route101 said:
Are just Mon to Fri and the moment?

Realtime trains was showing the even on the hour departure from Edinburgh and odd on the hour departure from Glasgow as 385s yesterday.

Didn't have time to check in person though.

Highlandspring · 30 Jul 2018

The timing loads shown on Reatime Trains mean nothing in practice. The E&G has had class 385 timing loads since the December 2017 timetable change.

92002 · 30 Jul 2018

Highlandspring said:
The timing loads shown on Reatime Trains mean nothing in practice. The E&G has had class 385 timing loads since the December 2017 timetable change.

Obviously means something, since other entries are now show 365s and 158s as well as 385s.

Highlandspring · 30 Jul 2018

Oh, ‘obviously’.

92002 · 30 Jul 2018

Highlandspring said:
Oh, ‘obviously’.

Today's recent Departures from Queen Street show
1245 158
1300 385
1315 385
1330 158
In reality more likely to be
1245 1x 365
1300 2x 380
1315 2x 385
1330 2x 365
Unless more 385s have started today.

Highlandspring · 30 Jul 2018

Right so what are you arguing, that timing loads shown on RTT do or don’t mean anything? In any case the 7 car 385 was not out in service yesterday.

absolutelymilk · 30 Jul 2018

Well it probably means something to someone at Scotrail/NR but unlikely that we will be able to figure out the method in the apparent madness.

Highlandspring · 30 Jul 2018

I'm one of those in NR who knows perfectly well how train planning timing loads relate to real life operations and diagramming.

absolutelymilk · 30 Jul 2018

So do you know why they changed from all 385s to 385s plus 365s & 158s as well?

92002 · 30 Jul 2018

absolutelymilk said:
So do you know why they changed from all 385s to 385s plus 365s & 158s as well?

Exactly my point. They don't show all 385

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