Staff at Huddersfield seem to be taking literal to the max with the 'Stand behind the yellow line' rule - even if a train is not due for 5 minutes you'll still get publicly berated while they hover far beyond the line. Why such a dictatorial approach to something so little?
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Stand behind the yellow line at Huddersfield
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And equally how do they know their not going to suddenly be taken unwell and faint onto the track. Or be pushed/nudged by a random passer by...
Not all trains appear on those. So rather than make a big deal about it, just simply do what you are asked
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You're on private property. You should act as directed by those in authority.
I was with my two year old recently and was explaining the yellow line to her. A few minutes later, without thinking, I put a foot over the line and got well and truly told off by her.
I did as I was told and stepped back! It’s all too easy to be blasé, but you need to do as you are told.
I did as I was told and stepped back! It’s all too easy to be blasé, but you need to do as you are told.
Because the PTI is the most dangerous part of the railway environment. It is high priority for every TOC. This is due to the volume of incidents that keep occurring at the platform edge. It's not just about trains passing through. That is a very narrow point of view.
There is also a issue where the railway has a duty of care. You are being instructed to stand behind the yellow line for your safety. If anything happened to you then there is a high likelyhood that you would sue, even if it was your fault.
It's a simple request to take a step back. Why is there such an issue over something so little ?
trainophile
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Sometimes you can’t get along the platform without stepping briefly on or even over the yellow line, as it’s blocked by other people. I’m thinking of Liverpool Central for example - very narrow platform on the always busy Southport line.
Unless you want everyone bunched at the foot of the escalator, sometimes it’s unavoidable, but obviously once you get through you move back and stand behind the line.
Unless you want everyone bunched at the foot of the escalator, sometimes it’s unavoidable, but obviously once you get through you move back and stand behind the line.
I find the majority to be more respectful. I know many Drivers who will refuse to dispatch with anyone within the yellow line.
I looked up 'pedantry'.
"excessive concern with minor details and rules"
I suppose the scores of dead and mutilated people, over the years, may just have taken issue (now) with the OP, if they were still around. At least they can't jump on and off trains any more while the train is still moving (well, soon, anyway).
"excessive concern with minor details and rules"
I suppose the scores of dead and mutilated people, over the years, may just have taken issue (now) with the OP, if they were still around. At least they can't jump on and off trains any more while the train is still moving (well, soon, anyway).
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Why were you standing the wrong side of the yellow line? Were you doing it just to entice a member of staff to be pedantic?
Well yes not the only station you are getting this as well, as someone who grow up in the seventies I find this kind of thing as getting ridiculously over the top.
I haven't actually been told off by anyone over this as yet but if I was they would get a right mouth full, At the age of 56 I think I'm fully able to personally assess the risk of where I need to stand without 21st century nanny state garbage.
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Quite correct.
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And that will likely get you booted off the station, refused permission to travel, and possibly the police called.
The staff don’t want to have to tell you to stand behind the yellow line, have the common sense and courtesy to do it anyway so that they don’t have to.
I brushed it for a second or two - the sort of pace one does when worrying about a connection because TPE are unable to run on time on that corridor...
I'm in DOO territory and I generally refuse to dispatch when there is anyone between the yellow line and the train. There are one or two stations where the platform is narrow, busy and getting busier and where a lock out/walk back wouldn't necessarily make it any safer (people will try and get on once it's locked out), so your options are very limited. It can be very difficult getting people to move back since there's no direct way of communicating with people on the platform a few coaches back.
Some of the platform staff like to hibernate, I've been in positions where the station staff appear after a few minutes and ask "is there something wrong driver?" and I'm thinking to myself, "weeeelllllll, why don't you look along the platform and take a wild guess?".
Some of the platform staff like to hibernate, I've been in positions where the station staff appear after a few minutes and ask "is there something wrong driver?" and I'm thinking to myself, "weeeelllllll, why don't you look along the platform and take a wild guess?".
Why would you decide to act this way. ? The staff member is just doing their job and acting on the advice of the safety boards and doing the most simple of things to prevent an accident. The PTI is possibly the last place where passengers are getting seriously injured and keeping back behind the yellow line is something so easy. By deliberately choosing to abuse the staff member highlights the world in which we live today.
I too was brought up in the 70s and I was taught to respect authority, take responsibility for your actions and to 'play it safe' 'clunk click every trip' 'remember the green cross code' 'think once, think twice' and to 'keep Britain tidy' Those style of campaigns relied heavily on personal responsibility. Now this 'nanny state' is regulating the hell out of it. People failed to take responsibility and now seem to need laws and regulations to protect us and absolve us of responsibility.
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Just do what you are told. It isnt worth such silly frothing.
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Bromley boy
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I bet that isn’t true.
Why don’t you just do as you’re told, and stand where you’re supposed to stand? Then there won’t be an issue, will there?!
And are the station staff supposed to be telepathic and know that you know exactly when trains are going to come through because of your reliance on sometimes inaccurate apps?
Are they supposed to waste their time by asking you this or just tell you to do what you should already be doing?
It's not difficult is it? Just do what you're told.
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And if you were standing too close to the edge as I pulled in in my train and I 'told you off' for it, you'd not be travelling on my train if you gave me a 'mouth full' [sic]
Have a bit of respect for people in a position of authority.
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Next time someone comes on here complaining about being asked not to take photos they should be directed to this thread to understand why that might be.
It would be much much better for the enthusiast community at large if people would be respectful, cooperative and obey safety instructions.
It would be much much better for the enthusiast community at large if people would be respectful, cooperative and obey safety instructions.
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I'll also draw everyone's attention to Railway Byelaw 12:
12. Safety instructions
(1) An Operator may issue reasonable instructions relating to safety on any part of the railway by means of a notice on or near that part of the railway. No person shall, without good cause, disobey such notice.
(2) An authorised person may, in an emergency or in other circumstances in which he believes he should act in the interests of safety, issue instructions to any person on the railway. No person shall, without good cause, disobey such instructions.
(3) No offence is committed under these Byelaws where a person acts in accordance with the notices or instructions given under Byelaw 12(1) or 12(2).
12. Safety instructions
(1) An Operator may issue reasonable instructions relating to safety on any part of the railway by means of a notice on or near that part of the railway. No person shall, without good cause, disobey such notice.
(2) An authorised person may, in an emergency or in other circumstances in which he believes he should act in the interests of safety, issue instructions to any person on the railway. No person shall, without good cause, disobey such instructions.
(3) No offence is committed under these Byelaws where a person acts in accordance with the notices or instructions given under Byelaw 12(1) or 12(2).
bramling
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I think this is the main point - it’s hard to safely dispatcj when people are close to the side of the train, so anything which encourages people not to encroach too close is a good thing.
However, there are places where the yellow lines are perhaps a little too far from the edge. At my local station the line moved outwards when tactile stones were laid, and is now about a metre from the edge. That’s a little excessive, and there’s no way people are going to comply with that in the morning peak when commuters are all engaged in a passive-aggressive game of jousting for the position which will make them first on the train when it arrives.
The Northern Line going north from Morden in the morning high peak may be a revealing experience for some on here too.
Whilst dispatch is firmly my priority, its not the major cause of passenger fatalities or injuries.
All quotes taken from : https://www.rssb.co.uk/Library/risk.../annual-safety-performance-report-2017-18.pdf (ASPR)
Stations are a dangerous place and most of all at the platform edge. There are so many invisible risks on the railway its unreal. Please please listen to the safety advice given. Sometimes it may seem 'pedantic' but we really are doing everything we can to keep you safe. If standing behind the yellow line mitigates just a tiny portion of those statistics then it will be worth it.
I have read the ASPR every year for the past few years and it never feels like its getting better. The number of passengers is increasing and as numbers increase, so does the risk.
Al lot of that is down to meeting the standards. I find it incredulous when you see standards overlapping infrastructure constraints and you get ludicrus situations where the yellow line from two platforms are touching each other or the line has been painted about an inch from a wall. I think there is a lot of work to be done and a more sensible approach taken in many cases. Stations are old. The adage that we are applying modern standards to Victorian infrastructure rings true.
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Simply put, my train will not move if anyone is in the pti area. I will not enter a platform until it is clear.
If it means bellowing at some precious people then tough. If you decide to remonstrate about it then you wont get on the train, simply put the key comes out and I wait until you leave or the other passengers exercise group responsibilty for getting you off the train.
If it means bellowing at some precious people then tough. If you decide to remonstrate about it then you wont get on the train, simply put the key comes out and I wait until you leave or the other passengers exercise group responsibilty for getting you off the train.
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It's not just on the railways that that applies. Near me there's a main road that has a central right-turn lane with hatched ghost-islands at either end. Then 'someone' decided the road needed painted-on cycle lanes alongside each pavement as well. Unfortunately to avoid driving over one or the other, you need a car no more than 4' wide...
I suspect in each case the people actually doing the painting aren't allowed any latitude, they're just obliged to paint what their contract specification states, even if it obviously makes no sense.
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