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Which stations could be made disabled accessible next?

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AlanFry1

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Which stations could possibly be made accessible for disabled and less able passangers on the network next?

Not inc Boston Manor, Burnt Oak, Debden, Hanger Lane, Ickenham, North Ealing, Northolt, Park Royal, Rickmansworth, Ruislip, Snaresbrook, Sudbury Hill and Wimbledon Park all to benefit from SFA over the next few years.

I'm thinking, Colindale, Snaresbrook, Leyton, Leytonstone, some of the stations on the east end of the heathrow pic branch...

Any realistic suggestions?
 
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I *think* Euston is planned to be addressed as part of HS2 works (not sure - might be wrong)

And does the proposed upgrade of Camden Town (and current Bank upgrade for the Northern Line) provide step-free?
 

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I *think* Euston is planned to be addressed as part of HS2 works (not sure - might be wrong)

And does the proposed upgrade of Camden Town (and current Bank upgrade for the Northern Line) provide step-free?

Yes x 3 IIRC.
 

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Is there some sort of cost-benefit analysis for these improvements? For example do TfL have a way of estimating the number of additional passenger km which a given step-free access scheme would unlock?
 

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Will the tube parts of Ealing Broadway become step free when Crossrail opens there? It didn't look like there was any progress on doing this if they are when I was there yesterday. Feels like a missed opportunity if this isn't planned.
 

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Will the tube parts of Ealing Broadway become step free when Crossrail opens there? It didn't look like there was any progress on doing this if they are when I was there yesterday. Feels like a missed opportunity if this isn't planned.
Two new lifts will be available, when the station rebuild is complete, arriving onto the gap between platforms 4, 5, 6 then access can be made to platforms 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.
 

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https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/p...next-six-underground-stations-to-go-step-free
Step-free access confirmed for Amersham, Buckhurst Hill, Cockfosters, Mill Hill East, Osterley and South Woodford stations

Cockfosters is excellent news. A friend gets the 298 bus from Potters Bar which stops at Cockfosters, Southgate and Arnos Grove... bypassing Oakwood (understandably so when you look at a road map) which is the only step-free station in the area!

So at present she has to stagger out of her wheelchair and painfully manhandle it via the escalators at Southgate, so this will be a boon to her... if not her tube fare (one extra zone)... but then again she's always hated sitting outside that kebab shop in Southgate waiting for her bus home so it's all good.
 

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Is there some sort of cost-benefit analysis for these improvements? For example do TfL have a way of estimating the number of additional passenger km which a given step-free access scheme would unlock?

A few years ago there was some analysis done using a heat map to show the difference in journey times from different parts of London to key destinations (Oxford Circus, Bank, maybe Heathrow) using step-free routes compared to the whole network - the objective being to compare the benefits of step-free schemes at different stations. I expect they will have developed this further since.

edited to add: some of the maps are shown between p118-126 of this http://content.tfl.gov.uk/taking-forward-the-mts-accessibility-implementation-plan-march-2012.pdf
 
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You'd have thought that ALL surface stations, especially ones at termini would eventually go step free, as for a lot of them it's a relatively simple task when compared with the engineering nightmare (and massive expense) of doing the same for underground stations.
 

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You'd have thought that ALL surface stations, especially ones at termini would eventually go step free, as for a lot of them it's a relatively simple task when compared with the engineering nightmare (and massive expense) of doing the same for underground stations.
That seems to be exactly the approach being taken at the present time, which I am not sure is the best approach to be taking. Since 2016, announcements have been made of step-free access going in at 21 LU stations, all of which are above ground (this is not counting longer term projects such as Crossrail, Finsbury Park, Bank and Victoria station where step-free access is also being provided at both surface and sub-surface stations). Many of these stations in announcements are adjacent to or otherwise nearby to stations that already have had step-free access in place or announced, yet there are areas where there is no access for a number of stations.

Whilst I am sure it is a long-term aspiration to have 100% coverage and indeed it sounds great to say that a larger number of stations have access; I do perhaps wonder if the number of stations could be reduced in order to plug some gaps in the coverage at stations where the installation is a bit more expensive.

With the exceptions of West Ruislip, Watford Met and Aldgate, all stations at the ends of the lines that are above ground already have, or will have by the end of 2020, step-free access.
 

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That seems to be exactly the approach being taken at the present time, which I am not sure is the best approach to be taking. Since 2016, announcements have been made of step-free access going in at 21 LU stations, all of which are above ground (this is not counting longer term projects such as Crossrail, Finsbury Park, Bank and Victoria station where step-free access is also being provided at both surface and sub-surface stations). Many of these stations in announcements are adjacent to or otherwise nearby to stations that already have had step-free access in place or announced, yet there are areas where there is no access for a number of stations.

Whilst I am sure it is a long-term aspiration to have 100% coverage and indeed it sounds great to say that a larger number of stations have access; I do perhaps wonder if the number of stations could be reduced in order to plug some gaps in the coverage at stations where the installation is a bit more expensive.

With the exceptions of West Ruislip, Watford Met and Aldgate, all stations at the ends of the lines that are above ground already have, or will have by the end of 2020, step-free access.

As you can do (at a wild guess) 20-30 surface stations for the price one one major central London station, you can understand politically why it's been done that way

Is there also an argument that the surface stations have much more room as well on the platforms and passageways to safely allow wheelchair users? Taking a station like Oxford Circus, it would be very expensive to give step free access too, but once down there I'm not sure how safe it would be to have wheelchairs trying to move around the cramped platforms
 

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A few years ago there was some analysis done (probably not public unless FOI'd) using a heat map to show the difference in journey times from different parts of London to key destinations (Oxford Circus, Bank, maybe Heathrow) using step-free routes compared to the whole network - the objective being to compare the benefits of step-free schemes at different stations. I expect they will have developed this further since.

It would be very interesting to see the effect of Crossrail opening on that map. It really will be a step change for many flows (not necessarily just those along the Crossrail route)
 

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As you can do (at a wild guess) 20-30 surface stations for the price one one major central London station, you can understand politically why it's been done that way
There are many more sub-surface stations than those just in zone 1 and it is at these smaller, but still below-ground, stations where accessibility is a real challenge, and would not cost anywhere as near as much as you are suggesting. I still believe you could half the number of stations covered but actually provide a good spread, rather than focussing on a number of consecutive stations.

In my post I acknowledged why they might have done it this way, but I still do not think it makes it right, although it does sound good when you can advertise 40% of your stations are now step free!
 
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