Train not stopping in the correct position.

Eric · 21 Aug 2018

I’m waiting at Bradford Interchange for the 10:18 service to Leeds which is running late by 10 minutes due to “not stopping in the correct position on the platform earlier”

I have never heard this announcement given as a reason for the delay. Does anyone know what it actually means?

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pt_mad · 21 Aug 2018

Eric said:
I’m waiting at Bradford Interchange for the 10:18 service to Leeds which is running late by 10 minutes due to “not stopping in the correct position on the platform earlier”

I have never heard this announcement given as a reason for the delay. Does anyone know what it actually means?

Does it mean stopping short on a platform or over shooting a platform?

Eric · 21 Aug 2018

pt_mad said:
Does it mean stopping short on a platform or over shooting a platform?

I’ve just asked the station staff and they say that the train entered the wrong platform at Blackburn and got stuck behind another train.

I didn’t know Blackburn was a big enough station for this to happen?

InterCity:125 · 21 Aug 2018

At some stations they have two platforms (eg. 1a&1b or 1&2) on one stretch of track. Could it have stopped where another train was due?

Eric · 21 Aug 2018

InterCity:125 said:
At some stations they have two platforms (eg. 1a&1b or 1&2) on one stretch of track. Could it have stopped where another train was due?

Good point mate. I guess that would mean that it hasn’t stopped in the correct part of the platform if the signaller has put it behind a train already on the platform.

Just leaving Bradford now 17 late. I hope no more delays as I’m booked on the 11:04 to Nottingham.

grumblingalong · 21 Aug 2018

Refers to a stop short or station overrun, either with the doors realeased off the platform or not.

tsr · 21 Aug 2018

grumblingalong said:
Refers to a stop short or station overrun, either with the doors realeased off the platform or not.

Also for errors where there has been permissive working of two (or more) portions into the same platform in an incorrect order.

grumblingalong · 21 Aug 2018

tsr said:
Also for errors where there has been permissive working of two (or more) portions into the same platform in an incorrect order.

Thanks! Don't have much of that nonsense on my patch

Flying Claret · 21 Aug 2018

At Blackburn, usually...Platform 1 (west bound) is used by leeds and clitheroe trains. Platform 2 W-B is used by Colne and Manc via Tod. Did the leeds get put in 2 behind another train by mistake..?

driver9000 · 21 Aug 2018

The delay for the 10:18 from Bradford has been put down to The Fellsman charter being over length for the platform at Lancaster. This caused a delay to a London service which had to be replatformed at Lancaster to work around it.

700007 · 22 Aug 2018

I initially thought when reading the title of the thread that someone was caught out by the Stratford Platform 8 changes from Saturday :lol:

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Lockwood · 22 Aug 2018

driver9000 said:
The delay for the 10:18 from Bradford has been put down to The Fellsman charter being over length for the platform at Lancaster. This caused a delay to a London service which had to be replatformed at Lancaster to work around it.

Is this something that would be the signaller's fault(*) for sending them somewhere they couldn't fit or the driver's for accepting the route into the platform they couldn't fit in to?

(*) From a technical point of view, rather than individual blame

Sunset route · 22 Aug 2018

Lockwood said:
Is this something that would be the signaller's fault(*) for sending them somewhere they couldn't fit or the driver's for accepting the route into the platform they couldn't fit in to?

(*) From a technical point of view, rather than individual blame

Usually timetable planning especially for the routeing and timetabling of charters, as that’s the plan that’s followed.

wingsoveryorks · 22 Aug 2018

Might have overshot the platform. Then again, if it is a northern train it could be the company trying to blame it's staff for their own incompetency.

If you are going to tell a lie, may as well make it a big one.

driver9000 · 23 Aug 2018

wingsoveryorks said:
Might have overshot the platform. Then again, if it is a northern train it could be the company trying to blame it's staff for their own incompetency.

If you are going to tell a lie, may as well make it a big one.

Nothing overran a platform and the train the OP was travelling on was not at fault. It was reactionary delay from the Fellsman charter being too long for the platform at Lancaster which meant it was hanging out at the back. This prevented a London service accessing platform 4 and was rerouted to platform 3.

Surreytraveller · 23 Aug 2018

driver9000 said:
Nothing overran a platform and the train the OP was travelling on was not at fault. It was reactionary delay from the Fellsman charter being too long for the platform at Lancaster which meant it was hanging out at the back. This prevented a London service accessing platform 4 and was rerouted to platform 3.

Whose fault was it that the train was overlength? That is the question that is being asked. Was it a planning error, did the signaller put it in a platform other than where it was booked, or was it the driver's fault for accepting a route where the train wouldn't fit?

driver9000 · 23 Aug 2018

Surreytraveller said:
Whose fault was it that the train was overlength? That is the question that is being asked. Was it a planning error, did the signaller put it in a platform other than where it was booked, or was it the driver's fault for accepting a route where the train wouldn't fit?

It was said the train would fit. Who is to blame is a question I can't answer.

wingsoveryorks · 23 Aug 2018

This thread has took on a life of it's own. The original poster asked about a announcement at Bradford Interchange. What the hell has that got to do with 'The Fellsman' at Lancaster.

Eric · 23 Aug 2018

wingsoveryorks said:
This thread has took on a life of it's own. The original poster asked about a announcement at Bradford Interchange. What the hell has that got to do with 'The Fellsman' at Lancaster.

That’s what I’m thinking. My train came from Blackburn and was late due to getting put behind another train already in the platform at Blackburn.

Eric · 23 Aug 2018

I assume the signaller will get the blame? Or does the driver get blamed for entering the platform with a train already there?

Loop & Link · 23 Aug 2018

The reason ‘The Fellsman’ has been mentioned is because that is the root cause of the delay to the service you were on.

wingsoveryorks · 23 Aug 2018

Eric said:
That’s what I’m thinking. My train came from Blackburn and was late due to getting put behind another train already in the platform at Blackburn.

Could be related to the 'Fellsman' Eric. The Fellsman does go through Blackburn, but I would have thought it was a tad early for the Fellsman to get in the way of your train. Not sure of the timings though, Certainly nothing to do with Lancaster. Perhaps it was simply running late as a result. I do think these announcements cause more issues than they solve. Why not just announce "The 1018 to Leeds is delayed because it is a Northern service" everyone will understand that.

wingsoveryorks · 23 Aug 2018

Eric said:
I assume the signaller will get the blame? Or does the driver get blamed for entering the platform with a train already there?

I think we should take a leaf out of 'Thomas The Tank Engine' stories and blame 'Thomas'

30907 · 23 Aug 2018

From RTT: the Fellsman was running a few minutes late. It apparently used P2 at BBN and had overtime there. The Preston-Leeds was held outside for about 5 mins, presumably because the Fellsman length issue meant access to P1 (the eastbound loop) was blocked - translated as train not stopping at correct place on platform.

Had the Fellsman been right time, there would have been no issue, as it would have left Blackburn before the Leeds train arrived. So the root cause was the length issue at LAN, the immediate cause the issue at BBN.

6Gman · 23 Aug 2018

I think this thread clearly illustrates that running a railway is a complex, complex thing.

A fact often forgotten.

driver9000 · 23 Aug 2018

This shows the ripple effect of delays and how far from the original cause they can spread.

Train not stopping in the correct position.

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