Thameslink Services/Timetable from May 20th 2018

Aictos · 31 Aug 2018

gm671 said:
Couple of Saturday KL diagrams have 365s. Only KL and CB depots sign the Lynn route, no change from pre-May.

Nope very wrong indeed except for the depots signing the Kings Lynn branchline.

bramling said:
Are you sure? The diagrams I've seen show no 365 work north of Ely

Congratulations, you are indeed correct as there ARE booked workings as far as Ely from Kings Cross on Saturdays on the 09:35 / 10:35 / 11:35 / 13:35 services but none through to Kings Lynn.

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ijmad · 31 Aug 2018

Adverts at London Bridge today saying more Thameslink services will be introduced on certain routes in September. Good news?

TheDavibob · 31 Aug 2018

ijmad said:
Adverts at London Bridge today saying more Thameslink services will be introduced on certain routes in September. Good news?

Any more specifics? If there can a) be the clockface consistency we'd expect and b) an improved Saturday service (I'm looking at GN, here), then I'm not going to complain.

ijmad · 31 Aug 2018

TheDavibob said:
Any more specifics? If there can a) be the clockface consistency we'd expect and b) an improved Saturday service (I'm looking at GN, here), then I'm not going to complain.

Nope.. just literally that one liner on their propaganda TV screens next to the departure boards.

387star · 31 Aug 2018

From Monday 3 September 2018
06:07 St Albans City to Sutton
07:46 Sutton to St Albans City
09:22 St Albans City to Sutton
10:49 Sutton to St Albans City
15:52 St Albans City to Sutton
17:19 Sutton to St Albans City

From Monday 10 September 2018
07:01 Mill Hill Broadway to Luton
07:46 Luton to Gillingham (Kent)
16:00 Gillingham (Kent) to Luton

From Monday 17 September 2018
06:41 Three Bridges to St Albans City
08:22 St Albans City to Sutton
09:49 Sutton to St Albans City
17:35 London St Pancras International to Gatwick Airport

From Monday 24 September 2018 (Details of these services will be available in journey planners during September 2018)
06:57 Cambridge to London King’s Cross
08:36 London King’s Cross to Welwyn Garden City
1702 Welwyn Garden City to London King’s Cross
2C46 1751 London King’s Cross to Cambridge

Class 466 · 31 Aug 2018

387star said:
From Monday 3 September 2018
06:07 St Albans City to Sutton
07:46 Sutton to St Albans City
09:22 St Albans City to Sutton
10:49 Sutton to St Albans City
15:52 St Albans City to Sutton
17:19 Sutton to St Albans City

From Monday 10 September 2018
07:01 Mill Hill Broadway to Luton
07:46 Luton to Gillingham (Kent)
16:00 Gillingham (Kent) to Luton

From Monday 17 September 2018
06:41 Three Bridges to St Albans City
08:22 St Albans City to Sutton
09:49 Sutton to St Albans City
17:35 London St Pancras International to Gatwick Airport

From Monday 24 September 2018 (Details of these services will be available in journey planners during September 2018)
06:57 Cambridge to London King’s Cross
08:36 London King’s Cross to Welwyn Garden City
1702 Welwyn Garden City to London King’s Cross
2C46 1751 London King’s Cross to Cambridge

Certainly better than nothing!

Sunset route · 31 Aug 2018

There are drivers out there that stil don’t sign Norwood Junction to Blackfriars via London Bridge, we had to divert a 9Rxx Gatwick to Bedford to run via Crystal Palace today. But that’s been the first time in ages I’ve seen that happen personally.

bramling · 31 Aug 2018

Class 466 said:
Certainly better than nothing!

Four months to get one key morning peak and one key evening peak GN journey - 8 cars long each and to/from King’s Cross. This is really just giving people back something they had before May!

Bedpan · 31 Aug 2018

Better than nothing I suppose, but having read on my widget showing the next 7 train departures "Additional Thameslink services will operate from this station from September 2018. Please visit Thameslinkrailway.com for further details" I must say that it's a bit of an anti climax. I've spent some time on the Thameslink website but I can'ty see any reference to it anywhere, although it does proudly state that 8 off peak services are going to operate through the new tunnels to Finsbury Park from 26th February - so that will be an improvement to look forward to in six months time. (Can't find a devil emoji to put here). I had rather been hoping that we would be getting the full half hourly North Kent service promised in May.

Silver Cobra · 31 Aug 2018

A points failure at St Neots is currently causing disruption to the southbound Peterborough - Horsham services. Nothing has run south of St Neots for the last hour or so.

Hopefully this will be resolved before the evening peak begins, or else I can see it being quite the nightmare.

**Edit: Looks like services are now starting to make their way south again, but delays are expected until at least 1500.

387star · 31 Aug 2018

And in lesser news city tl is having new blue plated signs fitted in place of the network south east (?) Blue

Imagine the NCL might get these

OwenB · 31 Aug 2018

387star said:
From Monday 3 September 2018
06:07 St Albans City to Sutton
07:46 Sutton to St Albans City
09:22 St Albans City to Sutton
10:49 Sutton to St Albans City
15:52 St Albans City to Sutton
17:19 Sutton to St Albans City

From Monday 10 September 2018
07:01 Mill Hill Broadway to Luton
07:46 Luton to Gillingham (Kent)
16:00 Gillingham (Kent) to Luton

From Monday 17 September 2018
06:41 Three Bridges to St Albans City
08:22 St Albans City to Sutton
09:49 Sutton to St Albans City
17:35 London St Pancras International to Gatwick Airport

From Monday 24 September 2018 (Details of these services will be available in journey planners during September 2018)
06:57 Cambridge to London King’s Cross
08:36 London King’s Cross to Welwyn Garden City
1702 Welwyn Garden City to London King’s Cross
2C46 1751 London King’s Cross to Cambridge

Thanks. The 17.51 Cambridge service will be welcomed back. Still nothing on the GN side for Saturdays? I'm not being greedy, just after general parity with pre 20th May services.

gingerheid · 31 Aug 2018

OwenB said:
Thanks. The 17.51 Cambridge service will be welcomed back. Still nothing on the GN side for Saturdays? I'm not being greedy, just after general parity with pre 20th May services.

Would you like the moon on a stick with that?

OwenB · 31 Aug 2018

gingerheid said:
Would you like the moon on a stick with that?

The moon on a stick which we already had...

ComUtoR · 31 Aug 2018

Would you prefer a robust phased introduction or a full reintroduction of services that is not possible to deliver ?

OwenB · 31 Aug 2018

ComUtoR said:
Would you prefer a robust phased introduction or a full reintroduction of services that is not possible to deliver ?

Was that aimed at my comment about the Saturday service on GN? I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to go back to the frequency of service we had before, with the services that don't go through the core (KGX-CBG stoppers).

ComUtoR · 31 Aug 2018

The same problems that existed that broke the May timetable still exist. You can't just reintroduce services that you are unable to run. A robust phased reintroduction of services that are matched to the capability of the depots, crews and resources is the most sensible and logical approach. Everyone attacked GTR for introducing services they knew hey couldn't run. I'm not sure we can attack them again for not introducing services they cannot run. Some of us have clearly stated that this mess will take time, and a lot of it, before its sorted.

gingerheid · 31 Aug 2018

OwenB said:
The moon on a stick which we already had...

I'm sure someone at GTR is choking at the very thought

I'm not sure what infuriates me more; their dishonesty, or the fact that but being taken to task for it.

Fred26 · 31 Aug 2018

387star said:
And in lesser news city tl is having new blue plated signs fitted in place of the network south east (?) Blue

Imagine the NCL might get these

I very much doubt the NCL will see any improvements, cosmetic or otherwise. Unfortunately.

bramling · 31 Aug 2018

ComUtoR said:
Would you prefer a robust phased introduction or a full reintroduction of services that is not possible to deliver ?

How about not having the entirely predictable shambles in the first place ... or is that really too much to have expected?

It’s not like things are perfect even with the slimmed-down interim timetable. Cancellations are still occurring, leaving massive gaps at some stations, and performance isn’t good either.

SAPhil · 31 Aug 2018

387star said:
From Monday 3 September 2018
06:07 St Albans City to Sutton
07:46 Sutton to St Albans City
09:22 St Albans City to Sutton
10:49 Sutton to St Albans City
15:52 St Albans City to Sutton
17:19 Sutton to St Albans City

From Monday 10 September 2018
07:01 Mill Hill Broadway to Luton
07:46 Luton to Gillingham (Kent)
16:00 Gillingham (Kent) to Luton

From Monday 17 September 2018
06:41 Three Bridges to St Albans City
08:22 St Albans City to Sutton
09:49 Sutton to St Albans City
17:35 London St Pancras International to Gatwick Airport

From Monday 24 September 2018 (Details of these services will be available in journey planners during September 2018)
06:57 Cambridge to London King’s Cross
08:36 London King’s Cross to Welwyn Garden City
1702 Welwyn Garden City to London King’s Cross
2C46 1751 London King’s Cross to Cambridge

The revised timetable from 3 Sept published on the Thameslink website includes the 07:46 Luton to Gillingham. Does your info imply that it's likely to be shown as cancelled for the first week?

Aictos · 31 Aug 2018

Fred26 said:
I very much doubt the NCL will see any improvements, cosmetic or otherwise. Unfortunately.

You probably be collecting your pension when they get around to it....

Kanrakuq · 31 Aug 2018

Silver Cobra said:
A points failure at St Neots is currently causing disruption to the southbound Peterborough - Horsham services. Nothing has run south of St Neots for the last hour or so.

Hopefully this will be resolved before the evening peak begins, or else I can see it being quite the nightmare.

**Edit: Looks like services are now starting to make their way south again, but delays are expected until at least 1500.

In an absolutely massive shock, the delays and cancellations they said would be sorted by 1500 are still stretching down to at least 1730, even with extravagant implementation of skip stopping. It's something no one could have predicted!

fusionblue · 31 Aug 2018

There's even station alerts saying "your station will receive more services from September 2018".

I dont see why the Sevenoaks line got those announcements because it isn't.

gingerheid · 31 Aug 2018

In depressing thoughts for the day...

If they continue reintroducing services at that kind of rate (assuming they have a hiccup or two around Christmas), it's going to be a loong time before we see a full (including weekend) May 18 timetable, let alone anything more

On a more positive note; I suppose things are slowly getting better, and I see that Wednesday was only the second day that every emergency timetable GN > Core service ran! We're getting towards just being in the kind of mess that I thought we'd have in May; unforeseen but predictable events causing (every other day) chaos that takes too long to recover from.

bramling · 31 Aug 2018

gingerheid said:
In depressing thoughts for the day...

If they continue reintroducing services at that kind of rate (assuming they have a hiccup or two around Christmas), it's going to be a loong time before we see a full (including weekend) May 18 timetable, let alone anything more

On a more positive note; I suppose things are slowly getting better, and I see that Wednesday was only the second day that every emergency timetable GN > Core service ran! We're getting towards just being in the kind of mess that I thought we'd have in May; unforeseen but predictable events causing (every other day) chaos that takes too long to recover from.

Indeed. Some ugly gaps in the Peterborough service this afternoon and evening - which sadly is now the new normal.

infobleep · 31 Aug 2018

gingerheid said:
In depressing thoughts for the day...

If they continue reintroducing services at that kind of rate (assuming they have a hiccup or two around Christmas), it's going to be a loong time before we see a full (including weekend) May 18 timetable, let alone anything more

On a more positive note; I suppose things are slowly getting better, and I see that Wednesday was only the second day that every emergency timetable GN > Core service ran! We're getting towards just being in the kind of mess that I thought we'd have in May; unforeseen but predictable events causing (every other day) chaos that takes too long to recover from.

Well obviously GTR think enough trains are running from September as they are removing cross brand ticket acceptance from their different brands of train services. Either that'd or they are hoping others thing that so they can get away with it. I wouldn't have thought it was the latter though.

gingerheid · 1 Sep 2018

infobleep said:
Either that'd or they are hoping others thing that so they can get away with it. I wouldn't have thought it was the latter though.

If they'd tried being chancers previously, and had become emboldened by getting off with it, we'd have seen signs of it by now...

infobleep · 2 Sep 2018

gingerheid said:
If they'd tried being chancers previously, and had become emboldened by getting off with it, we'd have seen signs of it by now...

Which means they must be running enough trains from September, unless there is another reason for the acceptance being withdrawn.

bramling · 2 Sep 2018

infobleep said:
Which means they must be running enough trains from September, unless there is another reason for the acceptance being withdrawn.

I’ve certainly noticed revenue staff back with a vengeance in the last couple of weeks. Loads of checks last week including twice on one journey on one day.

The service has settled down, although certainly not to a point where it’s fully stable. Cancellations are still happening, but the worst thing is late running from the core especially on the Peterborough service. It really is a lottery whether the service will arrive on time or 20 late. The Cambridge/Brighton isn’t much better, when it runs, although it does currently have a luxurious turnaround time in Brighton which presumably won’t be the case if it goes 2tph. The solution to all this stares us all in the face, how long before the penny drops with Thameslink Programme?

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