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London Bridge Station

In terms of my journey I think the rebuilt station is

  • Significantly more convenient than before

    Votes: 29 39.7%
  • More convenient

    Votes: 20 27.4%
  • About the same

    Votes: 9 12.3%
  • Less convenient

    Votes: 9 12.3%
  • Much less convenient

    Votes: 6 8.2%

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Mikey C

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People crowding to the front of trains and ‘just running down the ramps to the tube’ is probably behind them intentionally not providing that particular unsafe option.

As has been pointed out regularly in London Bridge station discussions for about 5 or 6 years now...

I understand that the ramps had issues with overcrowding, but don't see why gentle fully enclosed ramps are considered more dangerous than long escalators. Surely there's more chance of accidents from late commuters running down the escalators, and tripping over?
 
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I understand that the ramps had issues with overcrowding, but don't see why gentle fully enclosed ramps are considered more dangerous than long escalators. Surely there's more chance of accidents from late commuters running down the escalators, and tripping over?

As a healthy young adult, I remember being shoulder barged many times on those ramps if you happened to be going the other way to the peak directional flow, sometimes quite aggressively by people trying to get to their trains home.

On one occasion at least, I remember being nearly knocked off my feet by someone running around the corner and straight in to me. They were just too narrow, I imagine very uncomfortable for anyone aged, infirm, or smaller/lighter than average.
 

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I agree that the 8+ car stop markers are all in the wrong place. It results in the first 2 coaches being squished despite being told to, and then using, the full length of the platform.

8/RLU, 10 and 12 markers should be at the country end of the platform.
 

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I agree that the 8+ car stop markers are all in the wrong place. It results in the first 2 coaches being squished despite being told to, and then using, the full length of the platform.

8/RLU, 10 and 12 markers should be at the country end of the platform.
How does that work with the location of the wheel chair places on the 700s and requirement for P4/5 to be symmetric height wise for the raised area?
 

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Add platform humps at the country and London ends of the platform too. As it stands, the wheelchair accessible portion is in the most congested part of the platform because of the trains' overall placement.

Although my idea was based on SE platforms 6/7.
 
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SAPhil

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I use the station occasionally and maybe things have changed in the last couple of months, but I cannot work out an easy way to get from the TL or SE platforms to the bus station.
Can someone enlighten me!
 

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I use the station occasionally and maybe things have changed in the last couple of months, but I cannot work out an easy way to get from the TL or SE platforms to the bus station.
Can someone enlighten me!
Down to the ground level paid concourse, then out through the gate line and there are escalators up to the space alongside the entrance to the 'Southern' platforms, by the Shard.

If you look at the Network Rail plans, there are matching escalators and stairs labelled "to lower concourse" and "to upper concourse", basically alongside P10 but still outside the "Southern' gate line.

https://cdn.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/London-Bridge-station-map.pdf
 

SAPhil

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Down to the ground level paid concourse, then out through the gate line and there are escalators up to the space alongside the entrance to the 'Southern' platforms, by the Shard.

If you look at the Network Rail plans, there are matching escalators and stairs labelled "to lower concourse" and "to upper concourse", basically alongside P10 but still outside the "Southern' gate line.

https://cdn.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/London-Bridge-station-map.pdf

Yes, that's the way I worked out last time I was there. It's a shame there's no exit directly to the bus station, I hate going lower than I need to and then coming back up again :frown:. I feel this is significantly worse than the previous arrangement.
 

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Yes, that's the way I worked out last time I was there. It's a shame there's no exit directly to the bus station, I hate going lower than I need to and then coming back up again :frown:. I feel this is significantly worse than the previous arrangement.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

i.e. this is deliberate. They couldn't widen the ramps at the ends of the platforms or create improved interchange at Cottons Row bridge, so new platform exits had to go in a different place.

The longer walk time is compensated by not getting shoulder barged or stuck on the platform waiting for enough people to clear to go down.
 

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Are the old sloping exits from the through platforms going to reopen? And if not, what will happen with that space?
 

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Are the old sloping exits from the through platforms going to reopen? And if not, what will happen with that space?

The slopes were reworked in to more compact stairwells when the platforms were rebuilt & lengthened, and they are now fire escapes. The staircases aren't high enough capacity for the number of passengers they'd likely attract, so the chances of them ever opening as additional exits in normal times are next to nil.
 

Mikey C

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The platforms are new and not in the exact location anyway
 

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End access to tapered island platforms is not considered a safe option nowadays. Apart from the sound reasons against it from the point of view of platform safety, the design they came up with means there’s no longer any advantage to cramming into the front coach if going to London Bridge.

But as already said the new platforms no longer line up with the old ramp sites anyway. We discussed this at some length in one of the earlier London Bridge rebuild threads at least a couple of years ago, the before and after drawings of the structures below the platforms were all posted, and reopening was shown to be out of the question.

The drawing I posted here shows where the escape stairs lead to:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/london-bridge-reconstruction-works.108509/page-25#post-2422455
 
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bennunn

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It was a few years ago that I used this part of the station - IIRC, the ramps led down to an intermediate concourse level, with exits to the bus station, or to the front of the main station (I think there was also a walkway if you turned left going back towards the river downstream).

I would usually use the escalators down to another gateline which came out right opposite the main entrance to the underground. This was a fairly convenient interchange as it all felt like heading in one direction in a straight line. Is all of this infrastructure gone now?
 

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It was a few years ago that I used this part of the station - IIRC, the ramps led down to an intermediate concourse level, with exits to the bus station, or to the front of the main station (I think there was also a walkway if you turned left going back towards the river downstream).

I would usually use the escalators down to another gateline which came out right opposite the main entrance to the underground. This was a fairly convenient interchange as it all felt like heading in one direction in a straight line. Is all of this infrastructure gone now?

What used to be that concourse still exists, but it's not as useful as it used to be.

It still links the bus station to the bridge over Tooley Street to the Cottons Building, and still has the escalators that go down to Joiner Street (where the tube entrances are) but the gatelines at either end and at the bottom of the escalators been removed as there's no direct access to the platforms any longer, but it is also where the aforementioned fire escapes have their exit doors.

From the terminating platforms it's a possible route to the tube if you are in the front carriages and go through the upper gateline, if you walk outside and turn right and go down those escalators (although you can also go down the escalator directly across the road and down into the Shard arcade).

From the terminating platforms, to go here you'd need to go through the concourse and towards the tube and turn right then go up, but there are simpler routes to both the Cottons Building (cross the road) and the bus station (up the stairs).

Note the escalators are currently closed for refurbishment and have been for some time, their absence has barely affected passenger flows in the new design.
 
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Ah, thanks, that makes sense. I'll have to have a wander around to check it out. I'm not sure what purpose those escalators would really serve now.

Coming in on Southern, I now usually go straight out of the main front entrance, without needing or wanting to use the lower concourse, and use the Borough High Street entrance to the underground if I need it. Impressive though it may be, with its Cathedral-like proportions, I find having to use the lower concourse to change onto a through train somewhat annoying. That weird old boxy footbridge was definitely quicker.
 

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Ah, thanks, that makes sense. I'll have to have a wander around to check it out. I'm not sure what purpose those escalators would really serve now.

You're right, I don't think those escalators do serve much of a purpose, they're just a leftover. Given they're there though, may as well keep them. It would seem odd to wall off that area or rip them out and convert to a staircase given the emphasis on step free access nowadays.
 
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