New build locos

Eyersey468 · 14 Sep 2018

Which locomotives that weren't preserved and are not in the process of having a new build loco done would everyone like to see?

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Steam loco · 14 Sep 2018

A new sir William stainer frs and princess Anne would be good plus a big burther wow

DJD200 · 14 Sep 2018

L1 or R1 please

Steam loco · 14 Sep 2018

I think new build is the way forward fore steam

Cowley · 14 Sep 2018

If money was no object then I’d love to see (and sample) this beast in the flesh.

HS4000 ‘Kestrel’ (not my photo)

Ash Bridge · 14 Sep 2018

Excellent shout there Mr Cowley!

Could I also suggest a North British D600 Warship Diesel Hydraulic too.

Eyersey468 · 14 Sep 2018

Nice photo of Kestrel

Spartacus · 15 Sep 2018

Equally DP2, which wouldn't be all that hard to create in a similar manner to the ongoing recreation of a Baby Deltic.

gazthomas · 15 Sep 2018

Spartacus said:
Equally DP2, which wouldn't be all that hard to create in a similar manner to the ongoing recreation of a Baby Deltic.

There are enough 50s around and might I controversially suggest using D9016 as the donor? On reflection I'll get my coat

Dougal2345 · 15 Sep 2018

Steam loco said:
I think new build is the way forward fore steam

Trouble with new build is that they're always going to be fast powerful locos that are suitable for running railtours and thus pay their way.

Personally I'd like to see something 19th century, all huge wheels and outside frames.

In fact, if we could manage some new build broad gauge track too, what about one of these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_and_Exeter_Railway_4-2-4T_locomotives

Flying Phil · 15 Sep 2018

Dougal2345 said:
Trouble with new build is that they're always going to be fast powerful locos that are suitable for running railtours and thus pay their way.

Personally I'd like to see something 19th century, all huge wheels and outside frames.

In fact, if we could manage some new build broad gauge track too, what about one of these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_and_Exeter_Railway_4-2-4T_locomotives

Not quite true as there is the 567 locomotive project to build a GCR 4-4-0 ...... the frames etc. are on show today at Ruddington for the AGM. There are other smaller "New Builds" but they don't get the same mass support or publicity of the "big loco" projects.

Spartacus · 15 Sep 2018

gazthomas said:
There are enough 50s around and might I controversially suggest using D9016 as the donor? On reflection I'll get my coat

Not such a bad idea given it's ongoing saga.

Dougal2345 said:
Trouble with new build is that they're always going to be fast powerful locos that are suitable for running railtours and thus pay their way.

Personally I'd like to see something 19th century, all huge wheels and outside frames.

In fact, if we could manage some new build broad gauge track too, what about one of these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_and_Exeter_Railway_4-2-4T_locomotives

Not quite a 9-footer, but there's an LNWR Bloomer that needs finishing off at Tyseley.

Steam loco · 15 Sep 2018

I'm looking forward to the p2s getting built

Ash Bridge · 15 Sep 2018

Spartacus said:
Equally DP2, which wouldn't be all that hard to create in a similar manner to the ongoing recreation of a Baby Deltic.

gazthomas said:
There are enough 50s around and might I controversially suggest using D9016 as the donor? On reflection I'll get my coat

I think I recall the EE power unit originally installed in DP2 was later fitted into one of the production series Class 50s, does this still survive in one of today's preserved examples or elsewhere would you know?

FOCTOC · 15 Sep 2018

Dougal2345 said:
Trouble with new build is that they're always going to be fast powerful locos that are suitable for running railtours and thus pay their way.

Personally I'd like to see something 19th century, all huge wheels and outside frames.

In fact, if we could manage some new build broad gauge track too, what about one of these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_and_Exeter_Railway_4-2-4T_locomotives

No theyre not. The Baby Deltic for instance will not be working on anything other than private/preserved railways.

FOCTOC · 15 Sep 2018

Ash Bridge said:
I think I recall the EE power unit originally installed in DP2 was later fitted into one of the production series Class 50s, does this still survive in one of today's preserved examples or elsewhere would you know?

No. It ended up in the shell of 50023 which was subject to an abortive preservation attempt which failed. The stripped power unit went to Booths along with the shell of the 50.

Ash Bridge · 15 Sep 2018

FOCTOC said:
No. It ended up in the shell of 50023 which was subject to an abortive preservation attempt which failed. The stripped power unit went to Booths along with the shell of the 50.

Ah I see, many thanks for that!

AndyY1951 · 15 Sep 2018

Steam loco said:
I'm looking forward to the p2s getting built

I think we'll only see one of those completed...……………….

AndyY1951 · 15 Sep 2018

Steam loco said:
A new sir William stainer frs and princess Anne would be good plus a big burther wow

There was a rumour of a group to build a new Sir William Stanier FRS, but its all gone silent.

Cowley · 15 Sep 2018

FOCTOC said:
No. It ended up in the shell of 50023 which was subject to an abortive preservation attempt which failed. The stripped power unit went to Booths along with the shell of the 50.

That’s interesting. I’ve heard of at least four different locomotives that DP2s power unit ended up in now, including - 50016,50017,50023 and 50037.
I’m not disputing what you’re saying FOCTOC but I’d be interested to know how definite that is?

sprinterguy · 15 Sep 2018

Dougal2345 said:
Trouble with new build is that they're always going to be fast powerful locos that are suitable for running railtours and thus pay their way.

No they're not. The A1 Loco Group are building a Gresley V4 2-6-2. There's a 3MT 2-6-2 tank being built at Bridgnorth, and there's a project underway to build a North Eastern Railway G5 0-4-4T.

Personally, I'd love to see a LNWR Claughton. Possibly a job for the Patriot Project if they fancied a follow-up?

Spartacus · 15 Sep 2018

sprinterguy said:
No they're not. The A1 Loco Group are building a Gresley V4 2-6-2. There's a 3MT 2-6-2 tank being built at Bridgnorth, and there's a project underway to build a North Eastern Railway G5 0-4-4T.

Personally, I'd love to see a LNWR Claughton. Possibly a job for the Patriot Project if they fancied a follow-up?

I'd hardly say the V4 won't be powerful, it'll be more powerful than a Black 5, great for that type of main line work.

I think the Patriot people are planning a Fowler 2-6-4T next but there is a Claughton project already, I don't know how they're doing though, no updates in 2 years, look like they'd have a job on producing a kit...... http://www.lmsnewbuild.co.uk/ It wasn't the most successful design in either form and I think it'd take a lot more organisation than they seem to have to get such a big 4 cylinder loco off the ground and iron out it's problems before doing so.

Eyersey468 · 15 Sep 2018

Dougal2345 said:
Trouble with new build is that they're always going to be fast powerful locos that are suitable for running railtours and thus pay their way.

Personally I'd like to see something 19th century, all huge wheels and outside frames.

In fact, if we could manage some new build broad gauge track too, what about one of these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_and_Exeter_Railway_4-2-4T_locomotives

I don't see why we couldn't manage new build broad gauge track. I agree it would be nice to see some broad gauge rolling stock in preservation

sprinterguy · 15 Sep 2018

Spartacus said:
I'd hardly say the V4 won't be powerful, it'll be more powerful than a Black 5, great for that type of main line work.

I think the Patriot people are planning a Fowler 2-6-4T next but there is a Claughton project already, I don't know how they're doing though, no updates in 2 years.... http://www.lmsnewbuild.co.uk/

Fair enough, the V4 is fairly powerful but I wouldn't necessarily deem it as a "big" loco.

Ooh, I didn't realise there was a project to build a Claughton, or that the Patriot folks were already planning on a follow up. Cheers for that. Good choice of loco for them to move onto: Having owned the Hornby model as a child, I wouldn't mind seeing a Fowler 2-6-4T at 12 inch to 1 foot scale!

Spartacus · 15 Sep 2018

sprinterguy said:
Fair enough, the V4 is fairly powerful but I wouldn't necessarily deem it as a "big" loco.

Ooh, I didn't realise there was a project to build a Claughton, or that the Patriot folks were already planning on a follow up. Cheers for that. Good choice of loco for them to move onto: Having owned the Hornby model as a child, I wouldn't mind seeing a Fowler 2-6-4T at 12 inch to 1 foot scale!

I wouldn't mind Hornby doing one of the later cab ones, I'm told it was designed for it as the cab's a separate moulding but it's never been done. There'll be one in 1:1 scale before they do!

Flying Phil · 15 Sep 2018

AndyY1951 said:
I think we'll only see one of those completed...……………….

I hope that is not the case as both projects have their merits - I did wonder if the Prince of Wales team have considered putting the later A4 style front end on at some stage in the future? (and yes I know the Lentz valve gear would then not be correct)

Incidentally the AGM of the 567 group was good as they have trial assembled the frames and now have the bogie frames. Work continues on the cylinder block and connecting rods. They have a costed plan going forward and it could be completed in 2024/5.

AndyY1951 · 15 Sep 2018

I hope that I am wrong, I'm certainly not a 'naysayer', but the difference in rate of progress of the two projects couldn't be greater! I think the A4 style front end would make it look boringly just like another A4.

Pigeon · 15 Sep 2018

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Fell
4000hp(?) "super Western" (do locos which were never built in the first place count?)
Leader
Kitson-Still

FOCTOC · 15 Sep 2018

Cowley said:
That’s interesting. I’ve heard of at least four different locomotives that DP2s power unit ended up in now, including - 50016,50017,50023 and 50037.
I’m not disputing what you’re saying FOCTOC but I’d be interested to know how definite that is?

Absolute fact. DP2s power unit went into the pool of units and was used in numerous 50s as was standard with any type of loco which required a power unit, either at overhaul or out of course. Its just coincidence it ended its days in 50023, and this is well known. As an engine it was by that stage useless in any case, being cracked (block) and totally stripped. It ended up being cut at Booths when its owner got bored/lost interest in it (he was a serial loco owner/scrapper, 37242 was another).

Cowley · 15 Sep 2018

FOCTOC said:
Absolute fact. DP2s power unit went into the pool of units and was used in numerous 50s as was standard with any type of loco which required a power unit, either at overhaul or out of course. Its just coincidence it ended its days in 50023, and this is well known. As an engine it was by that stage useless in any case, being cracked (block) and totally stripped. It ended up being cut at Booths when its owner got bored/lost interest in it (he was a serial loco owner/scrapper, 37242 was another).

Really interesting information, thanks for that FOCTOC.

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