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GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

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With the closure of BPW starting today, what is happening to the ECS moves from Stoke Gifford?

RTT seems to show them still using BPW but I'm not sure whether to believe this, or not!
 
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With the closure of BPW starting today, what is happening to the ECS moves from Stoke Gifford?

RTT seems to show them still using BPW but I'm not sure whether to believe this, or not!
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Special possession arrangements apply for trains to access Stoke Gifford at certain times of day.
 
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On the 10/09/18, the 10:17 from Didcot to Gloucester was a 9-car IET which I went First Class and the reservation system in Coach K was blank / completely off.

There was no 'No seat reservations on train' message for this train. It was in reverse formation which I wasn't that fussed about really .

So was the 9-car IET a replacement train? If I should've had an HST (the only other passenger in Coach K had seat K2 booked which didn't exist on the 9-coach train) then that's poor information to passengers beforehand.
 
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It would seen fair to assume it was a stock swap from an HST. As you say there is no seat K2 on a nine-car IET in the first place, so the reservation system could not have allocated it on a service that was planned to be worked by an IET.
 
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Are the increase in diagrams next Monday 24th September likely to happen or are not enough 802’s going be ready by then? I’m looking do 12.04 Paddington-St Austell and 16.59 back, know the 16.00 ex Penzance isn’t a 802, If not likely be 802 then ill do different day out, and do couple weeks later.
 
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Morning people . I'm not sure if a separate thread was started but on the 13/09/18 nearly a week ago, a Penzance to London IET was reported broken down 14 miles north of Exeter.

Broke down around 5pm and apparently 6 hours they were on that train for before transferring to a rescue train back to Exeter St. Davids - packed XC Voyager I think.

Basically instead of passengers arriving at London Paddington around 19:30 that night, it was around 3:30 the next morning.

Surely after the severely delayed 11:00 Penzance to London HST in August 5 years ago on a Sunday, which thankfully I wasn't on, given what Mark Hopwood said, you'd have thought a 5/6 hour delay would never happen again.

Looks like on the 13/09/18, my 38 minute delay into Oxford from Stafford (17:25 service) was me getting off lightly! Considering the biggest delay, til then, this year was around 10 minutes in May (13:49 from Birmingham New Street to Nottingham leaving around 10 minutes late), a 38-minute delay I considered to be not that bad!
 
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Mitchell Hurd said:
Morning people . I'm not sure if a separate thread was started but on the 13/09/18 nearly a week ago, a Penzance to London IET was reported broken down 14 miles north of Exeter.

Broke down around 5pm and apparently 6 hours they were on that train for before transferring to a rescue train back to Exeter St. Davids - packed XC Voyager I think.

Basically instead of passengers arriving at London Paddington around 19:30 that night, it was around 3:30 the next morning.

Surely after the severely delayed 11:00 Penzance to London HST in August 5 years ago on a Sunday, which thankfully I wasn't on, given what Mark Hopwood said, you'd have thought a 5/6 hour delay would never happen again.

Looks like on the 13/09/18, my 38 minute delay into Oxford from Stafford (17:25 service) was me getting off lightly! Considering the biggest delay, til then, this year was around 10 minutes in May (13:49 from Birmingham New Street to Nottingham leaving around 10 minutes late), a 38-minute delay I considered to be not that bad!
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cambsy said:
Are the increase in diagrams next Monday 24th September likely to happen or are not enough 802’s going be ready by then? I’m looking do 12.04 Paddington-St Austell and 16.59 back, know the 16.00 ex Penzance isn’t a 802, If not likely be 802 then ill do different day out, and do couple weeks later.
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It may just be due to this week being a different week to last week but today all of the the trains to the West Country that were IET last week(0703, 0730, 1033 from Paddington) are HST today. The only exception is the 1633 to Exeter which tiger shows as load 10. The 1722 Paddington - Hereford which flopped back to HST last week has flipped to IET this. Some of the changes are a consequence of the Bristol Parkway block although I am not sure that applies to the West Country diagrams, but I could be wrong about that.
 
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It may just be due to this week being a different week to last week but today all of the the trains to the West Country that were IET last week(0703, 0730, 1033 from Paddington) are HST today. The only exception is the 1633 to Exeter which tiger shows as load 10. The 1722 Paddington - Hereford which flopped back to HST last week has flipped to IET this. Some of the changes are a consequence of the Bristol Parkway block although I am not sure that applies to the West Country diagrams, but I could be wrong about that.
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I believe the reduction in IETs to the West Country is due to the fact that the Computer on an IET says that the fuel at Laira is contaminated. Another software problem to sort out.
 
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I believe the reduction in IETs to the West Country is due to the fact that the Computer on an IET says that the fuel at Laira is contaminated. Another software problem to sort out.
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Not a software problem - the tank farm at Laira is heavily contaminated and is having to be cleaned out. I have seen the pictures and putting that amount of contaminated water into an IET fuel tank is not advisable.
 
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Siemen Staines said:
It may just be due to this week being a different week to last week but today all of the the trains to the West Country that were IET last week(0703, 0730, 1033 from Paddington) are HST today. The only exception is the 1633 to Exeter which tiger shows as load 10. The 1722 Paddington - Hereford which flopped back to HST last week has flipped to IET this. Some of the changes are a consequence of the Bristol Parkway block although I am not sure that applies to the West Country diagrams, but I could be wrong about that.
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802101 was doing the honours on the 17.22 this afternoon. First ride on an 802, main impression was a bit more of a sense of a big diesel engine under the floor than on an 800 and more sustained acceleration after the initial burst. Had no problems keeping to time despite a lengthy stop at Hanborough and three 50 mph restrictions slowing progress in places west of Oxford.
 
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Are next weeks new diagrams for the 802’s likely to happen and still start Monday? Ask because planning IET day on Tues 25th September, doing 08.51 Exeter-Paddington, 12.04 Paddington-Penzance and 17.42 Penzance-Exeter, as far as can tell should be the same unit all day, may do Pullman dining on 12.04 Paddington-Penzance, be interested how the new galleys go down with the Chefs and catering crew on the Pullman services.
 
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Are next weeks new diagrams for the 802’s likely to happen and still start Monday? Ask because planning IET day on Tues 25th September, doing 08.51 Exeter-Paddington, 12.04 Paddington-Penzance and 17.42 Penzance-Exeter, as far as can tell should be the same unit all day, may do Pullman dining on 12.04 Paddington-Penzance, be interested how the new galleys go down with the Chefs and catering crew on the Pullman services.
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Diagrams are a mess. Some new ones start on Monday known as the previous 03/09 changeover, however some already went over. Cheltenham diagrams are changing on a daily basis back and fourth.
 
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After next Monday’s additional diagrams on the B&H, when are the next services due to go over to IET operation? When will all B&H services be IET operated?
 
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Is it possible to determine from any online source how many coaches are in a formation? Journey check will tell you if they are shortformed but not the actual formation on the day.

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After next Monday’s additional diagrams on the B&H, when are the next services due to go over to IET operation? When will all B&H services be IET operated?
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The diagrams next week are not as originally planned because the driver training at Penzance is running behind. So for the next couple of weeks, while the Parkway blockade is on, the diagrams should be - 10 car (NP) 1C71, 1A88, 1J93, 1A95 (SG) and 10 car - (SG), 1A06, (NP), 1C80, 1A35 (NP). After the blockade finishes a 9 car may go on 1A70.

After that, because the Hitachi deliveries of 9 cars are behind and these are needed to exit Swansea and OOC by December, further W of E changes are postponed (apart from an odd Paignton) until December and attention is being focused on changes elsewhere. The IET diagram introduction rate (all 9 or 10 cars) should be October - 3, November - 4 and December - 5. If deliveries are late up to 3 existing SG-SG 800 diagrams could revert to HST to provide the necessary IET stock to enable OOC exit to happen as from 10/12/18, which is an absolute must.

The last HST diagrams to be converted will be on the B & H and, looking at the current Hitachi 800/802 delivery plan, this provisionally looks like being sometime in late March.
 
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Clarence Yard, Can I take it then, that next week 1A77 05.41 Penzance-Paddington will be a HST? Could you give a list of IET diagrams on the B&H next week, thanks.
 
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1A77 will be an HST as there should be no Long Rock starters or finishers until December.

I'm afraid I can't give you what exactly is working next week as the continuing problem with the tank farm at Laira as well as the Parkway blockade means that the base cascade diagrams (which is all I deal with and have visibility of) are heavily altered by STP.
 
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Just to exit facilities and transfer/finish up the staff on the due date.

Trying to do this properly at every GWR HST facility is proving to be quite a challenge as the IET delivery dates move around. Understandably staff want to know their future and make appropriate plans.
 
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Do we know why IET delivery is late? It seems to me that GWR is getting all the bad publicity of this, while the fault must be in the failure of the Hitachi company to deliver what was promised. We were originally told that the Newton Aycliffe factory was fully geared up with trained staff ready to go! I assume GWR is being royally compensated though.
 
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The first delay (the 104 days to all units) was down to NR not getting the test section (on GWR) completed on time and since then they have been doing upgrade after upgrade on the software, which has slowed down some of the acceptance testing. That is why Eastleigh is now being used as well as North Pole and Doncaster to commission the units.

There have been other little niggles in getting units out of the factory or retrofitted for passenger use in the case of the test units.

GWR doesn't get any compensation for late delay for 800 units, that's not how the IET contract works. Late delivery becomes a Change Event for GWR under the FA so a (fairly automatic) financial adjustment to the FA is agreed with the DfT to make it all cost neutral to GWR.
 
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