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Failing Grayling

Is Grayling the worst transport secretary in living memory?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 77.8%
  • No, but he's in the top one.

    Votes: 4 22.2%

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Rail Blues

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After watching Grayling make an utter buffoon of himself at the Tory conference, it struck me that I'll can't think of a more useless and dim-witted individual to occupy the post of transport minister.
 
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In any sensible government he’d have gone years ago. Maybe when he was caught dooring someone outside Parliament then driving away without exchanging details, or around the time of the mass strikes on the new franchises, or after the new timetable fiasco, or after it became clear DfT is chronically underprepared for the M20 to become a lorry park in the event of a hard Brexit.

He’s not doing anything for the image of the government as out of touch and living in fantasy island.
 

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Current political climate is that leaders can do what they like (Look at Trump in the US!). The vast majority of voters have the attention span of a knat. Many people genuinely don't care if they are lied to and robbed by their leaders, or who their taxes go on bombing. Some of the stuff that politicians get away with now wouldn't have happened twenty years ago. They used to have to be subtle about it. Now it's out in the open. Drip, drip, drip. Social media algorithms control the debate, mainstream media churn out their owners' party line. Most people aren't interested in Grayling or the railways debate - even those directly affected by it - Look around a rush hour carriage in the morning... most of the commuters are too busy scrolling through Facebook for the next cupcake picture or posting mindless nonsense on Twitter while being absolutely petrified of Jeremy Corbyn without being able to say exactly why.

Whether Grayling is good or bad is no longer the issue. He'll stay until he goes.
 

Wolfie

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No fan of Grayling, who seems to have been 'less than successful' at every Government department he has headed, but the whole purpose of a serious survey is surely to seek the views of others and not merely to promulgate the OP's own (look at the options). ... ..
 

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After watching Grayling make an utter buffoon of himself at the Tory conference, it struck me that I'll can't think of a more useless and dim-witted individual to occupy the post of transport minister.

No great fan of Grayling - although he is my MP - but who would you replace him with bearing in mind you know what the options are from the current lot? It's all very well saying he's not good at his job, but if there's nobody better available then maybe it's better to keep him there to learn from his mistakes rather than appoint somebody else to start the learning curve all over again? Could be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.

No Minister can possibly know all about their department. Could the Health Minister run a Hospital? No, of course not. That's why we have Civil Servants who lead the various Departments, their job is to advise their Minister, and, when he/she changes, to continue to advise the new incumbent. Maybe the focus should fall on the DfT in this case as they advise their Minister?
 

Rail Blues

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but the whole purpose of a serious survey is surely to seek the views of others and not merely to promulgate the OP's own (look at the options). .

I never intended it to be a serious survey. I don't work for Ipsos, this isn't funded by a research council to explore a pressing social issue for the day, it was a fairly lighthearted attempt to express my exasperation that a man clearly as thick as proverbial in the neck of a bottle has managed to achieve high office.
 

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No Minister can possibly know all about their department. Could the Health Minister run a Hospital? No, of course not. That's why we have Civil Servants who lead the various Departments, their job is to advise their Minister, and, when he/she changes, to continue to advise the new incumbent. Maybe the focus should fall on the DfT in this case as they advise their Minister?

Exactly and whilst some people will say the buck stops with the minister - its not just him who is responsible - I mean why did Northern and Thameslink fail so spectacularly with the rostering - you cant blame that on him surely?
 
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