TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

TBSchenker · 3 Oct 2018

Two rakes now on the ‘normal’ side of Longsight, both minus 68s.

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EE Andy b1 · 3 Oct 2018

TBSchenker said:
Two rakes now on the ‘normal’ side of Longsight, both minus 68s.

That's the "X" Shed on Longsight Traincare Depot.

When that's full they'll then put them in the Up sidings of which 3 roads were upgraded specifically for the TPE Mk5a sets.

SP Man · 3 Oct 2018

Yes, some are still levers where you use the brake stick, others are wheels.

Bornin1980s said:
Do freight trains still have real handbrakes?

StaffsPM1 · 5 Oct 2018

I put the two rakes in Longsight. Been told that the depot is now full and they cannot accept anymore rakes so should be interesting to see where the next lot go as they are waiting at Portbury!

joshy.fre_2003 · 5 Oct 2018

StaffsPM1 said:
I put the two rakes in Longsight. Been told that the depot is now full and they cannot accept anymore rakes so should be interesting to see where the next lot go as they are waiting at Portbury!

North Wales?

BMIFlyer · 6 Oct 2018

There are some roads in longsight that have been totally rebuilt for TPE trains for servicing. Surely they can be used?

StaffsPM1 · 6 Oct 2018

Apparently not. Apparently, because they have a load of DMUs on at weekends there is no space. Don't shoot the messenger, that's what Longsight staff told me when I delivered the last rake

EE Andy b1 · 6 Oct 2018

I did wonder how Alstom Longsight Traincare Depot was going to cope with all these Mk5 sets after taking on more Class 390 work off Oxley and Edge Hill.
They have quite a few Northern DMUs on for fuel and stabling. They have Northern 323s with some usually getting stabled in the Up sidings and they have the Cross Country 220/221s.

I believe when in service it's 3 x Mk5a sets to be stabled at Longsight each night usually in the Up sidings.

I presume fuelling of Class 68s whilst still attached to the Mk5 sets like when they had HSTs on shed unless the 68 needs a service/exam.

Does anyone know (once in service proper) at what locations the other Mk5a sets will be stabled before commencing there intended diagrams for the day?

philthetube · 6 Oct 2018

pdq said:
Sorry for being thick / pedantic, but isn't a 'handbrake' by definition something that is applied by hand - ie manually as opposed to automatically?

Their are loads of terms used on the railway which are outdated, there was a thread about this a couple of years age, I can't find it though.

Erniescooper · 6 Oct 2018

EE Andy b1 said:
I did wonder how Alstom Longsight Traincare Depot was going to cope with all these Mk5 sets after taking on more Class 390 work off Oxley and Edge Hill.
They have quite a few Northern DMUs on for fuel and stabling. They have Northern 323s with some usually getting stabled in the Up sidings and they have the Cross Country 220/221s.

I believe when in service it's 3 x Mk5a sets to be stabled at Longsight each night usually in the Up sidings.

I presume fuelling of Class 68s whilst still attached to the Mk5 sets like when they had HSTs on shed unless the 68 needs a service/exam.

Does anyone know (once in service proper) at what locations the other Mk5a sets will be stabled before commencing there intended diagrams for the day?

York and Scarborough

EE Andy b1 · 6 Oct 2018

Erniescooper said:
York and Scarborough

Thanks.
I presume the York stabling will be usually for the Middlesborough diagrams then!

What about at the Liverpool end? Will stabling be at Lime Street, Edge Hill or maybe Crewe?

Erniescooper · 6 Oct 2018

I think it will be more than 3 stabled at Longsight as all the the departures from the west side of the Pennines come off Longsight ECS

EE Andy b1 · 6 Oct 2018

Erniescooper said:
I think it will be more than 3 stabled at Longsight as all the the departures from the west side of the Pennines come off Longsight ECS

Ah well i think Alstom Longsight best start making some space then, if full as mentioned at #1384 especially if the next set is due there sometime (Wed) perhaps this next week.

It's certainly going to be fun early morning, late evening at Longsight trying to get all these extra sets on and off in and around everything else. Can't wait.

The_Train · 7 Oct 2018

Just noticed a few paths between Stafford and Warrington and Manchester and Stafford through the night tonight. More testing of the Mk5 stock?

_toommm_ · 7 Oct 2018

68039 currently at Crewe doing driver training - no coaches attached though.

EE Andy b1 · 7 Oct 2018

BMIFlyer said:
There are some roads in longsight that have been totally rebuilt for TPE trains for servicing. Surely they can be used?

Found out today that the 3 roads in the Up sidings for TPE Mk5a sets has not yet been passed for use, so not yet available to stable trains.
2 of the "X" shed roads have Mk5s the other two could fit sets but are for Northern DMUs, so no room at the Inn!! As has been said.

ajdunlop · 8 Oct 2018

Does anyone know what the procedure is when a train hits something/someone for the guard checking that the driver is ok? It occurred to me that this would be harder when the Class 68 is pulling the Mk5s as there is no way between the coaches and the loco.
I remember a few years ago on a train that hit someone the guard very quickly made sure the driver was ok and I assume would be able to secure the train if the driver couldn’t. Is this the case and if so how would it work for these trains? Is the guard allowed to alight the train?

driver9000 · 8 Oct 2018

ajdunlop said:
Does anyone know what the procedure is when a train hits something/someone for the guard checking that the driver is ok? It occurred to me that this would be harder when the Class 68 is pulling the Mk5s as there is no way between the coaches and the loco.
I remember a few years ago on a train that hit someone the guard very quickly made sure the driver was ok and I assume would be able to secure the train if the driver couldn’t. Is this the case and if so how would it work for these trains? Is the guard allowed to alight the train?

Train to loco internal telephone.

SansHache · 8 Oct 2018

EE Andy b1 said:
Found out today that the 3 roads in the Up sidings for TPE Mk5a sets has not yet been passed for use, so not yet available to stable trains.
2 of the "X" shed roads have Mk5s the other two could fit sets but are for Northern DMUs, so no room at the Inn!! As has been said.

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Spot the difference on the two Driving Trailers (first photo)? It took me ages but once you see it it is rather obvious!

Geeves · 8 Oct 2018

I spotted it. Ha

I suppose if you are up there with the power on you are asking for trouble and 1ft difference isn't going help!

BMIFlyer · 8 Oct 2018

ajdunlop said:
Does anyone know what the procedure is when a train hits something/someone for the guard checking that the driver is ok? It occurred to me that this would be harder when the Class 68 is pulling the Mk5s as there is no way between the coaches and the loco.
I remember a few years ago on a train that hit someone the guard very quickly made sure the driver was ok and I assume would be able to secure the train if the driver couldn’t. Is this the case and if so how would it work for these trains? Is the guard allowed to alight the train?

Yes the guard can exit the train in the cess side and all trained Mk5A guards will have keys for the locomotive doors.

In fact the airport guards already have them as they are trained on class 68 emergency procedures.

fowler9 · 8 Oct 2018

BMIFlyer said:
Yes the guard can exit the train in the cess side and all trained Mk5A guards will have keys for the locomotive doors.

In fact the airport guards already have them as they are trained on class 68 emergency procedures.

Can someone explain to this dope what I am looking for? Ha ha.

Spartacus · 8 Oct 2018

fowler9 said:
Can someone explain to this dope what I am looking for? Ha ha.

Cantrail stripe, took me a while to see it.

BMIFlyer · 8 Oct 2018

Spartacus said:
Cantrail stripe, took me a while to see it.

Yes I know about that but...

fowler9 said:
Can someone explain to this dope what I am looking for? Ha ha.

... is not what I was replying to. I was replying to the emergency situation question so not sure why you call me a dope?

Spartacus · 8 Oct 2018

Seems we're getting confusing edits.

Geeves · 8 Oct 2018

Yeah I don't think Fowler was calling you a dope BMIflyer! He was stuck on the spot the difference game haha

BMIFlyer · 8 Oct 2018

Geeves said:
Yeah I don't think Fowler was calling you a dope BMIflyer! He was stuck on the spot the difference game haha

I just read the post again. Yes I see now! Sorry!

ajdunlop · 9 Oct 2018

BMIFlyer said:
Yes the guard can exit the train in the cess side and all trained Mk5A guards will have keys for the locomotive doors.

In fact the airport guards already have them as they are trained on class 68 emergency procedures.

Thanks, good to hear.

How is this requirement for a guard to be able to secure the train circumvented in DOO?

MDB1images · 9 Oct 2018

ajdunlop said:
Thanks, good to hear.

How is this requirement for a guard to be able to secure the train circumvented in DOO?

It will only be DOO on empty coaching stock.

ajdunlop · 9 Oct 2018

MDB1images said:
It will only be DOO on empty coaching stock.

Sorry I meant for other classes of train, given the lengths gone to with these trains to have special training for guards how can other trains have no guards at all?
I don't want to start a debate about no guards just wanted to know what the official justification is.

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