Goldfish62
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Grand Central Class 180 Interior Refresh
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I travelled from King's Cross to Doncaster on a refurbished GC 180 for the first time yesterday on the 18.53, and I was quite impressed by it. The only downside that I noticed, when I got off at Doncaster and wandered down the platform to see what the First Class was like, was that First Class appears no longer to have curtains.
The refurbished interiors are pretty impressive indeed for the 180s. Grand Central have done a really good job.
Personally, it's a shame about the seat headrest height/position however, as anyone above 5ft is constantly pushed forward in the upper back area. You get used to it within an hour though. It would have been better for a smaller winged style headrest at the very top rather than this bump. But for me that's the only downside.
Personally, it's a shame about the seat headrest height/position however, as anyone above 5ft is constantly pushed forward in the upper back area. You get used to it within an hour though. It would have been better for a smaller winged style headrest at the very top rather than this bump. But for me that's the only downside.
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It's worth remembering that taste in seats is subjective (as all tastes are to be fair, there's a clue in the name, me!)...
Apart from Merseytravel 142s, I've never met anyone who likes those!
Apart from Merseytravel 142s, I've never met anyone who likes those!
Pleased to meet you.
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You must be a masochist!Pleased to meet you.
Bletchleyite
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Pleased to meet you.
I'm guessing you are short and skinny and like to sit with perfect bolt-upright posture, then?
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Does anyone have any further updates about the progress of the refresh? How many units are complete now and which units are they?
I don't experience Grand Central that often but am yet to travel on a refurbished unit and hope to have a chance next month but I seem to keep seeing the units with First interior.
I don't experience Grand Central that often but am yet to travel on a refurbished unit and hope to have a chance next month but I seem to keep seeing the units with First interior.
Bletchleyite
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Not another train I can't use. This kind of design stupidity went out with the old "winged" Mk2 seat but seems to be making a return.
chrisdmadd
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Yeah they are at least half way now in fact there can’t be many more left to do
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The latest one or two have Alstom ETCS kit fitted as well, so the early refurbs will have have to go back for this to be fitted sometime.
I travelled from London to Halifax yesterday on a refurbished set and I can confirm that even though I'm not as tall as you the wings dug painfully into my shoulders. The only way to avoid that was to slouch down so that my shoulders came below the huge seat wings, but this caused me back pain and slouching like that is hardly reccomended. You cannot easily sit upright with a straight spine away from the seat back completely to avoid the wings because of the contoured seat base - it isn't flat.
I'm really disappointed because everything else about the train is quite good. Quick, clean, nice colours, good facilities including sockets and useble free WiFi. The staff on the train and through their customer services whom I contacted in advance to request a seat reservation were great and value for money was about in line with my expectations. So basically everything about my trip was either good or very good and I'd be a happy customer who wants to use them again... if it weren't for those seat wings. I would suggest this isn't a subjective issue either, as ones shoulders should not be bumped by hard lumps. In three hours I couldn't find any comfortable position to sit in and believe me I tried almost everything!
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How the hell are you supposed to straighten your back on that? Even if you were short the shape of it is horrendous.
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Do any other seats elsewhere have such a steep recline? I was quite surprised by the slouching position it encouraged, though not as surprised at the struggle it took to get my tiny bag into the overhead luggage rack!
Yeah but look at their logo.
It reminds me of something designed on MS Paint in the 90s.
Bletchleyite
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They seem to have deliberately done what the single-piece cushions that were used by the GNER Mk4 refurb accidentally did (later fixed by the new two-piece cushions) and sloped the base the wrong way.
FWIW, I think the whole thing is nasty - bad seat shape, harsh colours, harsh lighting etc.
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