Not necessarily. From 1912 until the 1920s, GWR coaching stock was in crimson lake livery.
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Not necessarily. From 1912 until the 1920s, GWR coaching stock was in crimson lake livery.
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They're literally named after a riot. They're often, rightly, angry.
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Right, so once a colour has been used in a livery it can't be used again?
Weren't GWR locos dark green??
I have made no mention of replicating a historic livery, only the use of specific colours in a modern livery.
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Did anybody say that? No...Right, so once a colour has been used in a livery it can't be used again?
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Personally I'd rather people didn't. Knowing is half the battle after all... and like he said, speech is free (within certain boundaries, on here at least).
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And I said that if I wanted a display to be particularly eye-catching I would use red border paper. As you say, the Stonewall posters get people’s attention.
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I think the current GWR livery works quite well for a 'mixed' livery. The new LNER livery, in my theory, adopts the red aspects to blend the change over from Virgin, as I imagine it would have taken years to get rid of all of the red plastered about the network, thinking about stations too.
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Free within certain boundaries.
While you are certainly entitled to your xenophobic opinions, it just makes you come across a bit "raw", for want of a better word.
If that weren't your real intention then the way your post came across certainly gave people that misconception.
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I feel like Virgin has been harshly done with VTEC going bust. Stagecoach owned 90% of the company so they're to blame more than Virgin, and because the liveries were done by Virgin people will assume Virgin were at fault. Sly Stagecoach.
You are entitled to dislike any name, but your reasoning has got numerous people concerned as to what your motives are.
In any case, surely 'Deltic' is of Greek origin, so this makes no sense, and I am sure many things that are common in England are not originally of English origin, not that I see any relevance.
But this thread is supposed to be about LNER livery, not a name, so can we please get back on topic.
I personally think the livery looks better than the existing livery, though it's not great.
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I quite like it. It's certainly an improvement on the "Flying Coke Cans" that are currently going up and down the country. I especially like the stripe effect along the window line. Makes it look fast! It's also a bit more interesting than just a plain colour.
It was always going to be impossible to please everyone as everyone has a different preference for what colours they'd like to see.
Wasn't Azuma a name that was decided on by the employees of VTEC? I'd be disappointed if I'd voted for it but then the new franchise owner (in this case, the DfT) came in and completely disregarded mine and my colleagues' choice.
Everyone (or most people) on this forum is probably here because they like or have an interest in trains/railways and at some point in the past (probably your childhood) trains/railways captured their imagination. I think the Azuma brand will help capture the imagination of a younger generation. My children are excited to see the new trains and like the Azuma name and they will be the enthusiasts of the future. People probably didn't like the Intercity branding and livery when it came out as it was so different and didn't probably like the fact that the locos were part of the trainset but we all love them now. I think most people will just be happy to see new trains.
It was always going to be impossible to please everyone as everyone has a different preference for what colours they'd like to see.
Wasn't Azuma a name that was decided on by the employees of VTEC? I'd be disappointed if I'd voted for it but then the new franchise owner (in this case, the DfT) came in and completely disregarded mine and my colleagues' choice.
Everyone (or most people) on this forum is probably here because they like or have an interest in trains/railways and at some point in the past (probably your childhood) trains/railways captured their imagination. I think the Azuma brand will help capture the imagination of a younger generation. My children are excited to see the new trains and like the Azuma name and they will be the enthusiasts of the future. People probably didn't like the Intercity branding and livery when it came out as it was so different and didn't probably like the fact that the locos were part of the trainset but we all love them now. I think most people will just be happy to see new trains.
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Applying a modicum of deeper thought will only confuse them...
This thread puts me more in mind of The Goodies and Bunfight At The Ok Tea Rooms
What surprises me more about the Azooooooma livery is that both BR (with the 'blue stripe' livery on 1st gen DMUs) and Connex found out that liveries with a lot of white really aren't the best idea for the railway environment, with brake dust and all the other general muck. When the carriage washers freeze up (as seems to happen every winter), the Azooooomas will be a pleasing shade of brown from the windows down. Nice.
Unfortunately most franchises seems to now be going for white or light grey for the main colour (or shade) - see C2C, Northern, SWR, Greater Anglia and TfW. It is almost like all the people responsible for early 90s liveries have retired and been replaced by people with little experience of the transport industry - Best Impressions seem to have gone out of favour too.
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Deltic08 would disagree with you. Besides, the Azumas will be running in Scotland as well as England.
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Safer and less hassle all round to have a name that evokes neither. Attempt something that embraces both and the Tennants-swilling ABE brigade will be after you with claymores drawn...
Does the name actually change anything to the train itself ? Is it really worth debating for hours on end about something so peculiar ?
I mean it's still an 800, it'll still be climbed on between coaches and it'll still tear wires down, Azuma or not.
I mean it's still an 800, it'll still be climbed on between coaches and it'll still tear wires down, Azuma or not.
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Quite agree - easy to get lost in branding waffle : I'm all about the Hitachi AT300 all the way. http://www.hitachirail-eu.com/products/our-trains/at300-intercity-high-speed
The fact that the 801 EMU versions have been in and out of Leeds fairly regularly over the last few days provides some sense that they may be in passenger service early in 2019.
The fact that the 801 EMU versions have been in and out of Leeds fairly regularly over the last few days provides some sense that they may be in passenger service early in 2019.
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To get the thread back on topic, aside from the 'Azuma' moniker, and the various misgivings about the way the livery resolves around the noses, this is a rare modern example of a linear livery as highlighted in the pic at post at #352
With the exception of the Azuma crap everywhere, and the overly obvious yellow box around the top lamp on the front, this looks fantastic.
Safer and less hassle all round to have a name that evokes neither. Attempt something that embraces both and the Tennants-swilling ABE brigade will be after you with claymores drawn...
Then why not replace Azuma on the coach sides with An Ear - I believe this is Scots Gaelic for East - which works equally well in English...
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Just shown the above pic to Mrs MonsooN. Her analysis: "It looks like a rodent!"
Apparently, the headlamps look like eyes and the rounded front looks like a nose!
Apparently, the headlamps look like eyes and the rounded front looks like a nose!
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Well I don't see why you need to point out that the United Kingdom is made up of a number of countries that have formed a Union. These collaborative unions are a terrible idea as we all know. Once we have finished with our expensive and pointless sledgehammer job on the EU that will do precisely zero to help get all these trains running and refubishments completed, we should make sure Scotland abandons the other union England is signed up to and then we can take a sledgehammer to the RMT as well, terrible idea that Union. Let's finish it all off by asking all our immediate neighbours to sling their hook and make sure nobody talks to each other at all because surely everybody does something we don't like and want to get angry about.
Sometimes I wish some people could spend 10 minutes in outer space looking on the earth to realise that one can get rather too hooked on the concept of country rather than people and how bloody amazing it is that in an otherwise lifeless Universe (as far as we know so far) we have something rather amazing on out hands down here.
Anyway must go and treat myself to a good English breakfast with those well known crops of English origins, tea (China), Orange juice (Spain), Hash Brown (Potato - South America), Egg (Domesticated chickens, Israel), Tomato (South America), bacon and sausage (Domesticated pigs, eastern Europe), Baked Beans (Haricot beans Aztec, Tomato, South America), Toast (wheat - middle east). So maybe just the mushrooms then (except the word is of Latin origin and therefore bloody Italian!#!?). Actually they can keep the bloody plate and cup with its Chinese ceramics origins and I don't want any of that American invention electricity being used in the cafe and I will be checking that the has used to cook it is English (sorry Scottish) gas and not any of that Norweigan or middle eastern stuff. As for that Toyota I am going to use to drive to the cafe....
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Very close, an ear is "the east".
As for the livery, other than the "Azuma" on the nose and the strange yellow box above the headlight I think it's nice.
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I'm sure the Germans are very angry at the name InterCity Express; after all, what's an English name doing on a German train?
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I agree that it should have LNER not Azuma on the sides.
No messing about. And I think a blue livery would have complimented the already grey/red interior.
No messing about. And I think a blue livery would have complimented the already grey/red interior.
I don't think that all the 800s will have "Azuma" on the bodysides, my guess is that after the hype dies down the bodysides will read either nothing or "London North Eastern Railway" (because if it read "LNER" the logo would be repeated on the driving cars), but I think they will retain some of the "Azuma" branding, such as on the nose on the train as it is a good addition to the brand as long as it isn't overused.
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I don't, feel an ounce of pity for Virgin, they were happy to have their brand co-opted for the East Coast, have their logos plastered all over the rolling stock. Branson was happy to appear gurning in the press whilst hanging out of the cab of an IET and generally taking the credit for 'his' new trains.
If you want to take credit when things appear to be going well for things you haven't done, you should expect to take some flack when things start going badly.
I am no fan of Stagecoach and won't travel on their trains for leisure due to their chairman's odious views on homosexuality, but Virgin and Branson are deserving of all the flak they've taken over this.
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TL,DR
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Very well put!
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