91119: Returns to service and in Swallow livery too!

Class455 · 30 Oct 2018

DanNCL said:
Looks like 91120 may be taking 91119's place in being withdrawn at Bounds Green, according to another forum...

What happened to 91120? Has it suffered a similar fault to its sister?

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DanNCL · 30 Oct 2018

Class455 said:
What happened to 91120? Has it suffered a similar fault to its sister?

Reported on another forum that it had a major failure and is now being used as a source of spare parts. I have no further info than that I'm afraid.

xotGD · 30 Oct 2018

59CosG95 said:
Indeed they do - they can't keep cadging 90s off DB for all eternity.

I'm hoping that they might start cadging 90s off Freightliner too.

(The fact that I haven't had 90048 or 90049 might have some bearing on the above statement!)

59CosG95 · 30 Oct 2018

xotGD said:
I'm hoping that they might start cadging 90s off Freightliner too.

(The fact that I haven't had 90048 or 90049 might have some bearing on the above statement!)

Unlikely - none of FL's 90s have Mk4-compatible TDMs fitted - only a handful of DB ones do.

43094 · 30 Oct 2018

91120 is currently stopped until further notice.

It is being robbed to keep other ones going.

As far as is known, there has currently been no decision as to if it will come back into service or not (with LNER).

xotGD · 31 Oct 2018

59CosG95 said:
Unlikely - none of FL's 90s have Mk4-compatible TDMs fitted - only a handful of DB ones do.

Thanks - I didn't know that there was a spec difference.

87electric · 31 Oct 2018

59CosG95 said:
Unlikely - none of FL's 90s have Mk4-compatible TDMs fitted - only a handful of DB ones do.

Do you know if DB 90s 028/037/040 are compatible?

59CosG95 · 31 Oct 2018

87electric said:
Do you know if DB 90s 028/037/040 are compatible?

I don't think so - that's probably why I've never seen them on the ECML hauling/shoving Mk4s.

SC318250 · 31 Oct 2018

Think it is 018/019/020/029/036/039 that can operate for East Coast

59CosG95 · 31 Oct 2018

SC318250 said:
Think it is 018/019/020/029/036/039 that can operate for East Coast

And 034 IIRC.

43094 · 31 Oct 2018

All the seven class 90s mentioned in the previous two posts are compatible.

I *think* 028 may also now be - but hasn't yet been used.

037 isn't.

040 isn't, and likely won't be as it stands.

43096 · 31 Oct 2018

Please can someone confirm what this compatibility is - I thought all the 90s had the UIC sockets that the Mark 4 use for push-pull operation? My recollection was that the mods for use on East Coast related to fitting of DRA (hence the 'D' in the WEDC pool code?).

Class455 · 1 Nov 2018

I heard yesterday from a good friend of mine that 91119 ran under its own power for the first time yesterday, can anyone confirm?

WillPS · 1 Nov 2018

Out of interest, what happens to the lease on engines/units which have broken and will not be fixed (or at least wont be fixed for a while)?

Do payments relating to that specific unit stop until such a time the unit re-enters service? If not, does the ROSCO fund the spot-leasing of replacements?

Whistler40145 · 1 Nov 2018

Presumably if another 90 is drafted in as a temporary replacement for 91119, this would only be until sufficient IEP units are in traffic?

I presume that neither classes 88 or 92 are fitted with the necessary TDM cables and equipment?

43096 · 1 Nov 2018

WillPS said:
Out of interest, what happens to the lease on engines/units which have broken and will not be fixed (or at least wont be fixed for a while)?

Do payments relating to that specific unit stop until such a time the unit re-enters service? If not, does the ROSCO fund the spot-leasing of replacements?

It depends on the nature of the lease. In general, though, it is up to the operator to fix it - the owner will expect it back in working order at the end of the lease, unless it suffers terminal damage where owner, operator and relevant insurers will be involved. In normal circumstances there is no interruption of the lease whilst it is broken.

43096 · 1 Nov 2018

TimSYoung40145 said:
I presume that neither classes 88 or 92 are fitted with the necessary TDM cables and equipment?

Correct. Moot point anyway as an 88 is top speed 100mph and a 92 87mph (140km/h) - at least 110mph is required to be suitable as a stand-in for a 91.

Whistler40145 · 1 Nov 2018

There's no other Electric options, if 86101, 86401 & 87002 weren't required for Sleeper ECS duties, possibly if push comes to shove, they could be used, but no doubt Traction Knowledge of LNER drivers would be a big issue.

captainbigun · 1 Nov 2018

43096 said:
Please can someone confirm what this compatibility is - I thought all the 90s had the UIC sockets that the Mark 4 use for push-pull operation? My recollection was that the mods for use on East Coast related to fitting of DRA (hence the 'D' in the WEDC pool code?).

It’s just DRA. There’s no TDM modification. TDM is TDM.

Whistler40145 · 1 Nov 2018

Please excuse my ignorance as I'm just a humble rail enthusiast, what's DRA?

driver_m · 1 Nov 2018

TimSYoung40145 said:
Please excuse my ignorance as I'm just a humble rail enthusiast, what's DRA?

Drivers Reminder Appliance. It's a large red button that we have to use use when stood at a danger signal. Prevents Starting against Signal SPADs aka known as ding ding SPADs. It cuts taking power when deployed, When we had class 90s, they weren't fitted with DRA .

43096 · 1 Nov 2018

captainbigun said:
It’s just DRA. There’s no TDM modification. TDM is TDM.

Ta. Thought that was the case.

43094 · 4 Nov 2018

91119 has had a couple of test runs... yesterday Bounds Green - Langley Jn and back, today Bounds Green - Peterborough and back.

43367 · 5 Nov 2018

91119 now at Wabtec for repaint, and it won't be LNER / Virgin red,

43094 · 5 Nov 2018

91119 actually still at Bounds Green... Another test run planned overnight tonight, this time to Grantham, with a full set.

59CosG95 · 5 Nov 2018

43094 said:
91119 actually still at Bounds Green... Another test run planned overnight tonight, this time to Grantham, with a full set.

Indeed it is; booked in as 5Z19 to Grantham, then 5Z20 back to Bounds Green.

59CosG95 · 5 Nov 2018

43367 said:
91119 now at Wabtec for repaint, and it won't be LNER / Virgin red,

So, if 91119 is due to be working on test out of Bounds Green, what is in Donny for repaint?

43094 · 5 Nov 2018

Only 122 in there at the moment...

geoffk · 5 Nov 2018

hexagon789 said:
The 90s do indeed lose time, usually a good 5-10 mins on Leeds or Newark services. While they are quicker off the mark, being limited to 110 mph does pose it's problems.

HSTs, if available, would be the better choice timekeeping wise.

There was a 90 out yesterday (Sunday 4th). It worked the 0903 KX - Leeds, which I saw arrive Newark 21 late, having left KX 9 late. It was 20 late into Leeds.

hexagon789 · 5 Nov 2018

geoffk said:
There was a 90 out yesterday (Sunday 4th). It worked the 0903 KX - Leeds, which I saw arrive Newark 21 late, having left KX 9 late. It was 20 late into Leeds.

They just can't keep the bookings really, they may only lose a minute or two here or there, especially on workings with lots of calls for which they are more suited that a 91, but once they lose time, that's pretty much it, not much chance of regaining it.

They may accelerate quicker from a stand but that extra 1,090hp and 15mph of a 91 does make a difference in the end.

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