I've not actually seen any external photographs of 450113, but I would assume it is now in the new livery.
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SWR Repaints and Refurbishments
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444040 has reentered service this morning at Portsmouth for the first time since mid-December 2017, and is working:
2T18 0548 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T05 0629 Fareham to Fareham
2T05 0646 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T26 0759 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T13 0829 Fareham to Fareham
2T13 0849 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T30 0959 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T21 1029 Fareham to Fareham
2T21 1048 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T34 1159 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T29 1229 Fareham to Fareham
2T29 1248 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T38 1359 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T37 1429 Fareham to Fareham
2T37 1448 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T42 1559 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T45 1629 Fareham to Fareham
2T45 1648 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T46 1759 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T53 1829 Fareham to Fareham
2T53 1848 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T62 1959 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T61 2029 Fareham to Fareham
2T61 2048 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2P78 2119 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
2P79 2345 London Waterloo to Havant
Tomorrow
5P79 0129 Havant to Haslemere
5A99 0540 Haslemere to Fratton CSD
2T18 0548 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T05 0629 Fareham to Fareham
2T05 0646 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T26 0759 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T13 0829 Fareham to Fareham
2T13 0849 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T30 0959 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T21 1029 Fareham to Fareham
2T21 1048 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T34 1159 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T29 1229 Fareham to Fareham
2T29 1248 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T38 1359 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T37 1429 Fareham to Fareham
2T37 1448 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T42 1559 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T45 1629 Fareham to Fareham
2T45 1648 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T46 1759 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T53 1829 Fareham to Fareham
2T53 1848 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2T62 1959 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T61 2029 Fareham to Fareham
2T61 2048 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
2P78 2119 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
2P79 2345 London Waterloo to Havant
Tomorrow
5P79 0129 Havant to Haslemere
5A99 0540 Haslemere to Fratton CSD
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A side query, is it the same driver who crews 5P79 and 5A99 (i.e. do they stay with the train overnight at Haslemere) or do they taxi back and someone else taxi out to bring the train back Sunday morning?
Why can’t the train berth in one of the platforms at Havant given both platforms are bidirectional.
It’ll probably be 2 separate taxis to and from Haslemere, chargeable to Network rail. Brave move putting it on the last one from Waterloo though.
And in regards to not stabling it at Havant, it’s because the sectional appendix says so, or doesn’t say so in this case. I can’t think of any physical reason not to stable it there overnight.
And in regards to not stabling it at Havant, it’s because the sectional appendix says so, or doesn’t say so in this case. I can’t think of any physical reason not to stable it there overnight.
theironroad
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Absolute madness putting it on 2345 on a Saturday if that is what is happening, as I also believe it's being used Monday morning for a press shindig with the MD and others. It's almost as if someone wants the press launch to go wrong.... Why bring a train into passenger service for a shuttle for one day before a press launch when it's been out of traffic for a year........
theironroad
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What Pompey fan said.
Trains can only be berthed on dead end (bay) platforms and at a few other select locations detailed in the sectional appendix and Fratton and Havant aren't . Haslemere up loop is ok as are all platforms at Guildford.
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To make sure it works before the event?
Surely the shuttle is a sensible idea? It’s spends a large amount of time waiting to form the next service, it’s unlikely to be rammed full and is passing Fratton in every trip if it needs to be swapped out.
The round trip to London is odd!
theironroad
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The unit shouldn't be in passenger traffic until Monday's press launch. If swr want to show a sparkling refurbed train off, using it for axdwy before hand isn't tge way to go. By all means run it around ecs if wanting to get the cobwebs out.
theironroad
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I agree running it to make sure it works is a good idea, but all it needs is some idiot to start doing graffiti inside and a lot of work is caused unnecessarily. Stabling overnight at Haslemere isn't great either as it's unstaffed overnight unless swr intend providing security to stop people tagging the outside of the train.
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I would agree it is an odd diagram to put it on. If I was them I'd swap it out before it does 2P78 to Waterloo!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/11414...MHS-YvDnJS-YG7DZn-YQrvPZ-YQrvPt-XSMd8N-YbhjEw
The First Class honestly looks worse than the standard. So disappointing.
The First Class honestly looks worse than the standard. So disappointing.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/11414...MHS-YvDnJS-YG7DZn-YQrvPZ-YQrvPt-XSMd8N-YbhjEw
The First Class honestly looks worse than the standard. So disappointing.
Also note that the external livery retains the stripes so will be non standard although the diesel fleet carry multiple variations of livery
Bizarre that this train has been out of service for a whole year
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Well, a SECOND set swap has occured. 444030 and 444040 have swapped around.
444040 to now work (as of 2115 10/11)
2T66 2155 Portsmouth Harbour to Fareham
5T67 2229 Fareham to Fareham
2T67 2248 Fareham to Portsmouth Harbour
5P72 2335 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton CSD
444030 now forms 1959 from PMH / 2048 from FRM to PMH (etc)
444008 now forms 2059 from PMH / 2148 from FRM to PMH (etc)
444040 now forms 2155 from PMH / 2248 from FRM to PMH (etc)
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Matt Taylor
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Yeah, that was my train, I'm a little disappointed I didn't get to work it! I've put a full set of interior shots on Flickr-including the wireless phone charging in first!https://www.flickr.com/search/?user...te-taken-desc&text=444040 interior&view_all=1
It seems to be a bit half hearted to me, they went to the trouble and expense of reseating all of first class and trashing it in the process, as well as removing bike spaces (stupid if you ask me), the buffet and guard's office, without even repainting all the grab rails! The lack of a vestibule door in the ex buffet carriage also just makes it look a bit cheap and nasty sadly. This should've been an opportunity to make good train great, but SWR have thrown it away.
Matt Taylor
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Yes, sorry about that but the power supply problems meant we had nowhere t put 444030 except in front of 444040 meaning the swap was inevitable. I'm a little disappointed I didn't get to work 444040 but it'll happen soon I guess! There are 12 additional standard seats in the leading (composite) coach and 8 more in the second coach where the office and buffet used to be. Pictures are on flickr including a shot of the wireless phone charging tables in first! First class is still only at the London end and both cycle spaces remain in place. https://www.flickr.com/search/?user...te-taken-desc&text=444040 interior&view_all=1
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Thanks for posting. Looks OK, but I'm surprised that the grabrails are still orange. What are the seats in 1st Class? They look like Compin as in the 450s
theironroad
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Thanks for interior photos. If the rumour I heard is correct the bike spaces are staying same for now. Is that correct?
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The orange handpoles certainly clash. I wonder whose idea it was to retain those (at least for now).
I’m surprised that the internal PIS are still the LED style. I’m also disappointed at the railway in general with the dreary grey leather seats and dreary grey colours on the outside of so many trains now. Still, I suppose “this is what people are telling us they want” (said a customer relations consultant).
I know what the SWR symbol supposedly represents but still can’t help but thinking if Lord Sugar ran the railway the designer would have been fired.
Putting the whole thing together it has the feel of someone ‘further up the ladder’ being told they had a deadline to get this first (quasi-full) refurbishment out.
I’m surprised that the internal PIS are still the LED style. I’m also disappointed at the railway in general with the dreary grey leather seats and dreary grey colours on the outside of so many trains now. Still, I suppose “this is what people are telling us they want” (said a customer relations consultant).
I know what the SWR symbol supposedly represents but still can’t help but thinking if Lord Sugar ran the railway the designer would have been fired.
Putting the whole thing together it has the feel of someone ‘further up the ladder’ being told they had a deadline to get this first (quasi-full) refurbishment out.
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Ffs. They go to the trouble of changing all the seat-top grab handles from orange to blue, and then don't do the poles the same!!
It's not something to do with visually impaired compliance is it? But then the grab handles would have had to stay orange if that were the case surely?
It's not something to do with visually impaired compliance is it? But then the grab handles would have had to stay orange if that were the case surely?
Interesting that both bike spaces remain at the moment. Hopefully someone has seen sense in that regard. I think I’ve mentioned it before but with the extra seats now available, they’d have been better REMOVING two/four seats per carriage and replacing them with full size luggage racks (Ala GWR west/turbo fleet). That way you’d actually have a net gain in seats and fewer arguments. Whoever designed these units and this refurb seems to have forgotten that people choose to travel with SWR for leisure purposes.
They travel to Woking for Heathrow, Airport Parkway for SOU airport, Southampton central for the cruise terminal, then you get people going away to Bournemouth, Weymouth, Portsmouth for a dirty weekend away, the Isle of Wight via portsmouth, Southampton and Lymington. All of the above can involve oversized baggage with nowhere to put them, this then leads to arguments as large bags are placed on seats or between seats, which then prevent people from sitting.
Imagine how many fold up bikes you could store in a 158/159 style luggage bin. It’s not hard, even 377s have luggage bays at the expense of seats.
They travel to Woking for Heathrow, Airport Parkway for SOU airport, Southampton central for the cruise terminal, then you get people going away to Bournemouth, Weymouth, Portsmouth for a dirty weekend away, the Isle of Wight via portsmouth, Southampton and Lymington. All of the above can involve oversized baggage with nowhere to put them, this then leads to arguments as large bags are placed on seats or between seats, which then prevent people from sitting.
Imagine how many fold up bikes you could store in a 158/159 style luggage bin. It’s not hard, even 377s have luggage bays at the expense of seats.
444040 will be on the faster Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo via Guildford services today, and will finish off its day in Fratton CSD.
444040 to work
1P22 0728 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P38 1132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P54 1532 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P70 1932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P71 2130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
5P71 2323 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton CSD
444040 to work
1P22 0728 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P38 1132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P54 1532 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P70 1932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P71 2130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
5P71 2323 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton CSD
A couple of comments:
1. They haven’t just retained orange grab pokes, they’ve actually added two where the buffet and corridor were.
2. By my count the accessible coach now has 12 additional seats, 4 in place of the buffet, 4 in place of the guards office and 4 where the corridor ran beside the buffet.
3. I thought the PIS was supposed to be brought up to date with the Thameslink and class 707 units.
1. They haven’t just retained orange grab pokes, they’ve actually added two where the buffet and corridor were.
2. By my count the accessible coach now has 12 additional seats, 4 in place of the buffet, 4 in place of the guards office and 4 where the corridor ran beside the buffet.
3. I thought the PIS was supposed to be brought up to date with the Thameslink and class 707 units.