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91119: Returns to service and in Swallow livery too!

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BahrainLad

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Anyone else notice the livery has been applied slightly incorrectly? The red stripe along the side is too high up the side of the locomotive - if it extended onto the coaches it would clash with the window line, whereas on the original it was underneath the windows. You can see this quite clearly if you have a look at the relative position of paint and panels on original photos.

Good effort though.
 
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Anyone else notice the livery has been applied slightly incorrectly? The red stripe along the side is too high up the side of the locomotive - if it extended onto the coaches it would clash with the window line, whereas on the original it was underneath the windows. You can see this quite clearly if you have a look at the relative position of paint and panels on original photos.

Good effort though.

There's a few inconsistencies, it's been many years since IC was used.
 
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Anyone else notice the livery has been applied slightly incorrectly? The red stripe along the side is too high up the side of the locomotive - if it extended onto the coaches it would clash with the window line, whereas on the original it was underneath the windows. You can see this quite clearly if you have a look at the relative position of paint and panels on original photos.

Good effort though.

You are correct! Here is the original livery and you can see the red stripe comes in at the lower handle of the drivers door.


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It's inline with the lower handle.

On the original, the centre of the red stripe is in line with the centre of the handle but on the new one it's slightly above.

Also on the original if you continued the red stripe towards the cab it would hit the black stripe on the other side of the door, whereas on the new livery it looks like it'd only jist be alongside touching it.

I think the reason for this is that the large black section isn't wide enough compared to the original.

But anyhow, it a good paint job applied to 91119 and those points are only minor fiddly things.
 

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Don't think it's anything to do with how long it's been since swallow was last applied to a locomotive :lol: I imagine whoever waved a spray gun at the 91's as they came off the production line has long since retired!

It's probably the difficulties in using a vinyl print to apply the livery. You don't get any second chances for adjustment. It doesn't ruin the overall effect and looks great so who cares?

The biggest thing I noticed was the painted white lower skirt doesn't match the vinyl white. Will soon be a closer match with a bit of road dirt though
 

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InterCity Livery 91119 at Newcastle Yesterday Working 1S15

Please Check Out My Video Of This Beautiful Livery!
 

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Are you sure you haven't just applied a filter to make a recent photo look older ;)
Only a skylight filter, the photograph was taken on slide film processed by myself. Camera Canon A1, slide scanned on a Canon slide scanner. On the same day the 87 arrived too.
 

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Only a skylight filter, the photograph was taken on slide film processed by myself. Camera Canon A1, slide scanned on a Canon slide scanner. On the same day the 87 arrived too.

It's as if you took the photo only yesterday :D
 

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Don't think it's anything to do with how long it's been since swallow was last applied to a locomotive :lol: I imagine whoever waved a spray gun at the 91's as they came off the production line has long since retired!

It's probably the difficulties in using a vinyl print to apply the livery. You don't get any second chances for adjustment. It doesn't ruin the overall effect and looks great so who cares?

The biggest thing I noticed was the painted white lower skirt doesn't match the vinyl white. Will soon be a closer match with a bit of road dirt though

My meaning was that it's been a long time since anyone used IC livery so we can easily excuse any slight deviations.
 

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Absolutely right. It annoys me that anyone would even raise it as a comment. Just be grateful it happened at all, as there's no commercial benefit to the TOC other than a bit of goodwill with enthusiasts.
 

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Whilst I do love the Swallow livery, it really does emphasise that it's a late 80s/early 90s design doesn't it? The loco very much has a style shared with cars of the time.
 

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Whilst I do love the Swallow livery, it really does emphasise that it's a late 80s/early 90s design doesn't it? The loco very much has a style shared with cars of the time.

I don't think it's as dated as some liveries, like lined maroon on Mk1s or two-tone green on diesels.
 

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I don't think it's as dated as some liveries, like lined maroon on Mk1s or two-tone green on diesels.

They are a lot older, not a fair comparison!

You are right though, I can think of more recent liveries which look more dated than Swallow. Pretty much any GW livery from the early years (Merlin & 'fag packet' especially). Also the original ScotRail with the green and purple.

I think some people go mad for certain liveries because of nostalgia, but Swallow has genuinely aged well. Good design lasts!
 

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Notice how the plastic housing around the headlights went from clear to smoked/black.
 

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They are a lot older, not a fair comparison!

You are right though, I can think of more recent liveries which look more dated than Swallow. Pretty much any GW livery from the early years (Merlin & 'fag packet' especially). Also the original ScotRail with the green and purple.

I think some people go mad for certain liveries because of nostalgia, but Swallow has genuinely aged well. Good design lasts!

I thought that the GW Merlin was timeless tbh. It was also a nice variation on IC.
 

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Anyone else notice the livery has been applied slightly incorrectly? The red stripe along the side is too high up the side of the locomotive - if it extended onto the coaches it would clash with the window line, whereas on the original it was underneath the windows. You can see this quite clearly if you have a look at the relative position of paint and panels on original photos.

Good effort though.

tbh I think i can live with that. Now, had they used a green stripe............................

( Christ I have gone all paint wibbly. Nurse! The screens!)
 

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You are correct! Here is the original livery and you can see the red stripe comes in at the lower handle of the drivers door.


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Just noticed, when did the two flaps on the raked nose disappear? They seem to have been gone since the GNER days.
 

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Just noticed, when did the two flaps on the raked nose disappear? They seem to have been gone since the GNER days.

Looking at pictures of them on google, I'm going to guess they were removed during Project Mallard.
Much earlier than the Mallard programme. My hazy memory suggested that it was at the same time that the reliability mods were carried out on the class circa 2001, but GrimShady's query got me thinking, and following some research it appears that the change was being made as early as 1992, as per this photo (not mine) of 91017 at Doncaster in May of that year:
https://jamespower.zenfolio.com/p591263284/h3F6B9A6C#h3f6b9a6c

And here's a photo from Flickr of 91019 itself having seemingly been pressed into service mid-alteration in May 1993, alongside unmodified 91026 at Kings Cross:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37190...5Ju-76psVE-pQvWMS-4RkCgE-bjKc6Z-8LzcCb-6Xqa5E
 
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The blunt end cabs also had them. I think their only purpose was for the freight duties.

MK4 vehicles use UIC connections for TDM and FDM so the RCH cable aren’t required for normal use. RCH cables can be used for TDM (as it is on 86/87/90s and MK3 DVTs) but not on MK4s. Removing RCH cables reduces interference potential on the TDM system (water ingress etc) it also has the benefit of tidying up the front of the loco.

The No 1 end flaps were sealed up prior to HGR - Heavy general repair (not mallard refurbishment - that was a rolling stock refurbishment on MK4s). It appeared at the time of HGR (when 91s became 91/1s) that the job of sealing the flaps appeared to have been strengthened, before HGR in was not uncommon to see the area damaged easily by bird strikes etc.
 
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