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They were small and green, and if I remember correctly, they were Palmolive soap bars, still available today.

Tell us please , where from ! - thank you for that.

Bad enough get blocks of proper carbolic soap to use in our local restored signal box ........(no self respecting signalman would have used anything else !) - much as the P Way / Engineers relied on old school Swarfega.
 
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Tell us please , where from ! - thank you for that.

Bad enough get blocks of proper carbolic soap to use in our local restored signal box ........(no self respecting signalman would have used anything else !) - much as the P Way / Engineers relied on old school Swarfega.
Any mainstream supermarket should have it. We got the last lot from Asda. The bars are bigger than the ones that were on the trains, but I'm fairly certain it's the same stuff.
 

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Any mainstream supermarket should have it. We got the last lot from Asda. The bars are bigger than the ones that were on the trains, but I'm fairly certain it's the same stuff.

Maybe we live in the affluent South East -where in our supermarkets you cannot get block soap - all liquid stuff - but I digress. Happy memories of lost times. Who would have imagined a dialogue on this in the 1970's !
 

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Who remembers the little soap bars , marked "BR" -not bad soap actually , certainly better than what you got abroad at the time .....(stuff in a tube that looked and acted like the very cheapest washing powder)
Now, what I remember was a glass liquid soap dispenser, suspended above the basin from hinged brackets with a nozzle that the soap (yellow?) flowed, slowly and thickly from. By appropriate weighting it sat nozzle upwards unless you actually turned and held it downwards; when you had enough (one hand at a time) and let go, it swung back to point upwards.

Was this an earlier Mk 1 approach? WR only? Was it even in older Hawksworth coaches and thus an old GWR design?
 

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Now, what I remember was a glass liquid soap dispenser, suspended above the basin from hinged brackets with a nozzle that the soap (yellow?) flowed, slowly and thickly from. By appropriate weighting it sat nozzle upwards unless you actually turned and held it downwards; when you had enough (one hand at a time) and let go, it swung back to point upwards.

Was this an earlier Mk 1 approach? WR only? Was it even in older Hawksworth coaches and thus an old GWR design?

Am pretty sure the Metro Cammell Pullman Cars - a few of which are in revenue earning service (saw 2 yesterday) - had this kind of fixture. A sort of upmarket fixture for the likes of politicians and so on - making important journeys to London. They (MC cars) had distintinctive yellow glaze fittings.

The other thing was the MK1 sleepers had well concealed chamber pots , clipped under the sink. As well as a padded shelf for one's pocket watch.
 

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I remember those from school - what I mainly remember about them is they didn't work, the soap would never come out. Fairly sure I have seen them occasionally in Mk 1 BR stock, but not often.
 

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Am pretty sure the Metro Cammell Pullman Cars - a few of which are in revenue earning service (saw 2 yesterday) - had this kind of fixture. A sort of upmarket fixture for the likes of politicians and so on - making important journeys to London.
Not quite always for the likes of politicians. We went on a family holiday in my youthful years to Ostend, and returned via the classic route through Dover, Victoria, and thence Paddington, where there was no immediate Berks & Hants departure to Taunton, so my father, fresh from his Last Holiday Night visit to the Ostend casino the previous evening, stumped up the Supplements [second class] for the late afternoon Bristol Pullman to Temple Meads, and a connection onward. My only time in the Pullman units, the one very junior memory I retain was it was the first train I ever went in with a PA system (thank God no see it say it sorted autobabble).

The stewards gave an even more flunky air to the car than a normal restaurant car, and my mother was keen to maintain our social standing, unfortunately let down by me, not only still in beach clothes when I Should Have Been In My Suit in a Train Like This, but also apparently leaviong copious amounts of beach sand all round our seats from my final sandcastle building earlier that morning, plus my bucket and spade etc, which I could not be detached from, all falling from my baggage to the floor and depositing further Ostend beach in the car gangway as we assembled our luggage on arrival at Bristol. My mother did excellent, amusingly overacted, impressions of the stewards' faces as this happened, to family gatherings for many years afterwards, to my continuing chagrin of course!
 
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Not quite always for the likes of politicians. We went on a family holiday in my youthful years to Ostend, and returned via the classic route through Dover, Victoria, and thence Paddington, where there was no immediate Berks & Hants departure to Taunton, so my father, fresh from his Last Holiday Night visit to the Ostend casino the previous evening, stumped up the Supplements [second class] for the late afternoon Bristol Pullman to Temple Meads, and a connection onward. My only time in the Pullman units, the one very junior memory I retain was it was the first train I ever went in with a PA system (thank God no see it say it sorted autobabble).

The stewards gave an even more flunky air to the car than a normal restaurant car, and my mother was keen to maintain our social stannding, unfortunately let down by me, not only still in beach clothes when I Should Have Been In My Suit in a Train Like This, but also apparently leaviong copious amounts of beach sand all round our seats from my final sandcastle building earlier that morning, plus my bucket and spade etc, which I could not be detached from, all falling from my baggage to the floor and depositing further Ostend beach in the car gangway as we assembled our luggage on arrival at Bristol. My mother did excellent, amusingly overacted, impressions of the stewards' faces as this happened, to family gatherings for many years afterwards, to my continuing chagrin of course!

Excellent recollections , I once deposited a vast quantity of sand from Aberavon beach on the interior of a filthy loco hauled non compartment carriage on the way back to Neath. I was told off - but my brother said that was unfair as he hit the seat cushions to produce huge clouds of dust. Yes it was a steam hauled train.

I had good reports of BR Blue Pullman staff on the Swansea run - a friend had a short birthday trip from Neath -Bridgend , the SM at Neath had a quiet word with them (the stewards) - on arrival and he was treated to silver service of egg , chips and ham on this short journey , plus ice cream - for a about 5 shillings and treated with great respect. His Dad had the same - plus a brandy. ! No doubt they got a class 52 on MK1's back.
 

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Excellent recollections , I once deposited a vast quantity of sand from Aberavon beach on the interior of a filthy loco hauled non compartment carriage on the way back to Neath. I was told off - but my brother said that was unfair as he hit the seat cushions to produce huge clouds of dust. Yes it was a steam hauled train.

I had good reports of BR Blue Pullman staff on the Swansea run - a friend had a short birthday trip from Neath -Bridgend , the SM at Neath had a quiet word with them (the stewards) - on arrival and he was treated to silver service of egg , chips and ham on this short journey , plus ice cream - for a about 5 shillings and treated with great respect. His Dad had the same - plus a brandy. ! No doubt they got a class 52 on MK1's back.
Not quite always for the likes of politicians. We went on a family holiday in my youthful years to Ostend, and returned via the classic route through Dover, Victoria, and thence Paddington, where there was no immediate Berks & Hants departure to Taunton, so my father, fresh from his Last Holiday Night visit to the Ostend casino the previous evening, stumped up the Supplements [second class] for the late afternoon Bristol Pullman to Temple Meads, and a connection onward. My only time in the Pullman units, the one very junior memory I retain was it was the first train I ever went in with a PA system (thank God no see it say it sorted autobabble).

The stewards gave an even more flunky air to the car than a normal restaurant car, and my mother was keen to maintain our social stannding, unfortunately let down by me, not only still in beach clothes when I Should Have Been In My Suit in a Train Like This, but also apparently leaviong copious amounts of beach sand all round our seats from my final sandcastle building earlier that morning, plus my bucket and spade etc, which I could not be detached from, all falling from my baggage to the floor and depositing further Ostend beach in the car gangway as we assembled our luggage on arrival at Bristol. My mother did excellent, amusingly overacted, impressions of the stewards' faces as this happened, to family gatherings for many years afterwards, to my continuing chagrin of course!

Great to read these memories, many thanks both!
 

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Holiday train memories reminds me of the down steam-hauled Torbay express stopping at Castle Cary (I think) and having to draw up for the rear of the train to be platformed. I might be completely wrong, but if it happened it was probably about 1959.
Also steam-hauled trains being banked up out of Torre (watched from my grandma's bedroom window) the whistle codes between train engine and banker audible right across that area of the town... Now that's something I haven't seen advertised at a Heritage Railway...
 

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I know H&S was different in them olden days but how on Earth did they control the passengers (both on the train and on the platform) when drawing up to get the rear of the train in the platform??!
 

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I had good reports of BR Blue Pullman staff on the Swansea run.
A bit pedantic, but I understand that Pullman staff, up to and including the Blue Pullmans, were not BR staff but separately employed by Pullman, on their different terms, and this caused issues with the existing restaurant car staff. This despite the BRB having bought out the minority Wagons-Lits shareholding in Pullman in the mid 1950s, but it was run as a separate company. Someone will know when the two work groups were merged, I think the electric Manchester Pullman of 1966 may have been the first.

Where's George Behrend when you need him?

Incidentally, that Bristol TM incident above was summer 1962, when the service was quite new.
 

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I know H&S was different in them olden days but how on Earth did they control the passengers (both on the train and on the platform) when drawing up to get the rear of the train in the platform??!

I was never a 'train spotter' in that I never took down numbers but spent hours in my younger days on both New Street and Snow Hill stations in Birmingham just watching the trains. I can remember on New Street several times hearing the announcement to stand clear on platform X as the train was 'setting back' or 'casting forward'. I never did understand the difference in terminology. As I recall it there were several railmen spaced along the platform when this maneuver was in progress. This did not happen at Snow Hill as the through platforms were double length with cross overs half way along the platform.

Both at Northampton in this country and at Malmö in Sweden (before the building of the City Tunnel) I have been on trains which have been joined or separated and the usual announcement is that the doors will be locked for a few minutes while this operation is taking place. This would, of course, not be possible in the days before central locking of the doors,
 

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If the platform was short and Drawing Up was likely then a porter would run to the rear, down the ramp onto the ballast, and look for any heads out of windows, thereupon shouting up to either walk forward, if practical, or to " 'ang on just a moment, Zir, and 'e'll draw up fer yer" (this is Somerset, after all), or, if recognising rail staff, just tell them to jump down onto the ballast.
 

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If the platform was short and Drawing Up was likely then a porter would run to the rear, down the ramp onto the ballast, and look for any heads out of windows, thereupon shouting up to either walk forward, if practical, or to " 'ang on just a moment, Zir, and 'e'll draw up fer yer" (this is Somerset, after all), or, if recognising rail staff, just tell them to jump down onto the ballast.
Drawing up was not uncommon on main line trains, I've certainly experienced it on the SR and WR.
(The Torbay Express at Castle Cary is another matter - back then West of England trains didn't normally call anywhere bar Newbury, Westbury and Taunton).
 

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If the platform was short and Drawing Up was likely then a porter would run to the rear, down the ramp onto the ballast, and look for any heads out of windows, thereupon shouting up to either walk forward, if practical, or to " 'ang on just a moment, Zir, and 'e'll draw up fer yer" (this is Somerset, after all), or, if recognising rail staff, just tell them to jump down onto the ballast.

At Settle in the 70's and 80's i remember them drawing up long trains. 10 vehicles + loco?. The station man would hand signal to the driver to move forward (waving his arm in a loop) and when he wanted the train to stop would signal that (both hands above head) The passengers would disembark. The station man would also have to often get the wooden steps so less agile passengers could get down to the low platforms, so he was quite busy. For down trains all the alighting passengers were trapped on the platform as the train was over the barrow-way - no footbridge then. There were also some parcels to cope with. Once the train departed the station man would collect tickets. Station staff were usually Jim or Monica.

Think I got the hand signals right. I once saw this in the dark and the station man used a bardic light. The Settle Station signal box was always switched out then.
 

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Now, what I remember was a glass liquid soap dispenser, suspended above the basin from hinged brackets with a nozzle that the soap (yellow?) flowed, slowly and thickly from. By appropriate weighting it sat nozzle upwards unless you actually turned and held it downwards; when you had enough (one hand at a time) and let go, it swung back to point upwards.

Was this an earlier Mk 1 approach? WR only? Was it even in older Hawksworth coaches and thus an old GWR design?

I also recall, that glass dispensers where used on some S.R. units can't quite remember which, most likely 2Bil, 2 Hal, & 4 Cor, but most definitely not a 2 Nol!
 

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Dowty retarders.
This was kit fitted to the rails in hump yards. It controlled the speed of unfitted vehicles. The idea was to reduce the collision speed saving on payload damage. Remember them in Scunny yard from the overbridge.

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Am pretty sure the Metro Cammell Pullman Cars - a few of which are in revenue earning service (saw 2 yesterday) - had this kind of fixture. A sort of upmarket fixture for the likes of politicians and so on - making important journeys to London. They (MC cars) had distintinctive yellow glaze fittings.

The other thing was the MK1 sleepers had well concealed chamber pots , clipped under the sink. As well as a padded shelf for one's pocket watch.

Mk1 sleeper chamber pots used to be sold in collectors corner at Euston
 

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Someone had the job of checking and cleaning them every day ....a sort of Baldrick role ...:E
I thought that when you put them in the cupboard and shut the door it tipped the contents down a hole onto the track.

or does that belong in the railway myths thread?
 

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I thought that when you put them in the cupboard and shut the door it tipped the contents down a hole onto the track.

or does that belong in the railway myths thread?

True - but (without going into too much unpleasant detail) - they would still have needed at least a good rinse etc. There are some dreadful tales of "unhygenic" behaviour in such vehicles......never mind your standard BR day coach toilets....

There was an absolute hero , I am told , at the splendidly named Malago Vale carriage sidings at Bristol who cheerfully took on the worst duties that most carriage cleaners would have run a mile from.On nights too. I am sure there were similar people all over the network , and still are.
 

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True - but (without going into too much unpleasant detail) - they would still have needed at least a good rinse etc. There are some dreadful tales of "unhygenic" behaviour in such vehicles.... never mind your standard BR day coach toilets....

There was an absolute hero , I am told , at the splendidly named Malago Vale carriage sidings at Bristol who cheerfully took on the worst duties that most carriage cleaners would have run a mile from.On nights too. I am sure there were similar people all over the network , and still are.
I am truly sorry about that.
I’ve let my family down, I’ve let myself down, I’ve let...
 

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I was too small then for me to remember it now, but when I was tiny and in a pram, the booking-clerk at North Sheen station would allow my parents to push the pram from the approach footpath to the station's island platform across the track on the porter's crossing, so that they did not have to carry the pram up and then down the footbridge to the platform. This entailed the gate from the footpath to the porter's crossing having to be unlocked and then locked afterwards. Nowadays North Sheen is an unmanned station, the porter's crossing long gone, and the gate fenced off.
 

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Mk1 sleeper chamber pots used to be sold in collectors corner at Euston

I came across a photo of one online a while ago, but it seems to have disappeared - maybe there was one for sale on eBay? Things like that would be much sought after by collectors of railwayana these days!
 

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These days it's more common for small stations to only have a disabled toilet (which can only be accessed with a RADAR key).

Or, in the case of (the busy commuter station of) West Byfleet, TWO (Ladies and Gents) disabled toilets accessible only with a RADAR key, available when the station is staffed only.

THAT station renovation was a real corker, with on-platform shelter (on an elevated station) effectively removed and several gradients that are lethal when icy introduced.
 

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Seeing mention of Pullman Services brought back a memory of myself and my parents in Herne Bay. We had spent our annual holiday in that resort and waiting on the platform for the train back to Victoria?.
In came a Pullman train I can my Mother querying wether this was our train. The man on the platform must have assured my mother that it was as we travelled back to London for the one and only time that we travelled on a Pullman.
Could it been the Thanet Belle?
On checking Wiki it seems it was the Kentish Belle and it must have been Broadstairs as it didn't seem to stop at Herne Bay. It WAS many years ago.
 
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