Drink Driving

Theooboy · 26 Nov 2018

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Bletchleyite · 26 Nov 2018

Low I'd think. That shows some serious irresponsibility which would be an issue in applying for a great many jobs, let alone one as safety critical as train driving.

Sorry if that isn't what you or he would want to hear.

Mike121 · 26 Nov 2018

Yeah I agree with the above. Very slim i would say

RJ · 26 Nov 2018

Theooboy said:
Hello everyone

One of my mates recently applied for Arriva rail London overground trainee train driver position , he’s been invited for stage 2 only thing is last month he got done for drink driving what are his chances in becoming a train driver , it’ll be nice for him to become a train driver as he has put in the effort already

Thanks

Close to zero I should think. Someone who can't control their drinking probably isn't best placed in control of train.

MidlandsChap · 26 Nov 2018

Im guessing he drink driving happened after his application, otherwise I am very surprised that he has been given a place on the assessment day.

ComUtoR · 26 Nov 2018

It would be illegal to discriminate against him. Make sure that it gets declared when requested.

Theooboy · 26 Nov 2018

His drinking offence happened before he applied I don’t think he declared it , it’s awful because he’s come all this way for no reason

Theooboy · 26 Nov 2018

I thought maybe there might me some hope

ComUtoR · 26 Nov 2018

Failure to declare is the issue. If he was advanced through the process with this incident as known then I wouldn't see an issue. Undeclared he is running a risk.

NorvernRob · 26 Nov 2018

Surely the chances are zero. It’s a strict safety critical role so the chances of being accepted when you’ve recently been caught drink driving should be nought.

TheNewBoy · 26 Nov 2018

Between the offence itself and the failure to declare it, I’d suggest your mate has blown his chances (based on no real industry knowledge on my part, just applying logic to someone applying for a safety critical position).

Don’t drink and drive kids. Not cool.

Theooboy · 26 Nov 2018

It’s a shame really

Gemz91 · 26 Nov 2018

Theooboy said:
It’s a shame really

In my experience very few people have any sympathy for people who have been caught drink driving.

MostlyHarmless · 26 Nov 2018

He'll need to disclose it and the chances are that will be him finished with that TOC and probably most others until the conviction is spent. I know of someone that this happened to and can only now reapply for driver vacancies

Mr Fox · 26 Nov 2018

Gemz91 said:
In my experience very few people have any sympathy for people who have been caught drink driving.

I agree. No sympathy from me. There's a plenty of more responsible candidates out there for the role.

Set_DRA · 26 Nov 2018

We all make mistakes don’t get me wrong. But the coup de gras to this example is the false declaration.

Bletchleyite · 26 Nov 2018

It might make sense for him to unilaterally withdraw the application on the basis of simply deciding not to pursue it at the present time, then they won't have chance to find out and blacklist him in some way. Then he can later apply when it is spent.

Not getting a job as a driver is a minor downside. He might instead have been living with having killed several other people by his actions.

ST · 26 Nov 2018

Bletchleyite said:
It might make sense for him to unilaterally withdraw the application on the basis of simply deciding not to pursue it at the present time, then they won't have chance to find out and blacklist him in some way. Then he can later apply when it is spent.

Not getting a job as a driver is a minor downside. He might instead have been living with having killed several other people by his actions.

Totally agree.

RJ · 26 Nov 2018

Set_DRA said:
We all make mistakes don’t get me wrong. But the coup de gras to this example is the false declaration.

The context and relevance of a mistake has to be considered. The chances of being caught with driving misdemeanours are incredibly slim and it being a one off almost certainly zero. Drink driving is a killer so people who can't help but do it should find a means of employment that does not involve being in control of potentially dangerous objects.

I'm surprised to hear the railways give the time of day to drink drivers. Is there now a shortage of applicants?

The One · 27 Nov 2018

On one side of the coin he was not breathalysed and caught while at work on the railway that I can’t stress enough is a show stopper straight away no excuses P45 time.But what your friend has got to worry about is and no hiding from it if he has to do a criminal check as it’s not spent and I assume if it happened while back it’s already been to court.Ifs it’s not spent it will light up like a Christmas tree he’s better off coming clean now before he’s put in the position of doing a criminal check.

MidlandsChap · 27 Nov 2018

RJ said:
I'm surprised to hear the railways give the time of day to drink drivers. Is there now a shortage of applicants?

See post number 7

Pete C · 27 Nov 2018

Bletchleyite said:
It might make sense for him to unilaterally withdraw the application on the basis of simply deciding not to pursue it at the present time, then they won't have chance to find out and blacklist him in some way. Then he can later apply when it is spent.

This is probably the best course of action in my opinion. Either that or reapply sooner and declare it this time.

No sense in (if he gets that far) going all the way to the DBS check and getting caught.

OneLowban · 27 Nov 2018

Your mate has lied already so the best thing to do as said above is to withdraw before being checked out by the TOC.

DanDaDriver · 27 Nov 2018

If your mate even feels the need to ask this, he isn’t cut out for the job.

12guard4 · 27 Nov 2018

Won't get and doesn't deserve the job. Nobody drink drives by accident, far more deserving people for the role.

ComUtoR · 27 Nov 2018

12guard4 said:
Nobody drink drives by accident,

Actually, yes they do. There is a lot more focus on the 'morning after' now because people are being caught the next day (1 in 6 caught the next morning). There is a misconception about how long it takes to sober up and how long it takes to process a single unit. Even the generic rule about 1 unit per hour is really just a guide and is dependent on different factors. There are also misconceptions about how many units are in each glass of alcohol. Where glass sizes and drink strengths have increased over time people were miscounting there units consumed. There are also statistics that show the people who are under the legal limit are still affected by alcohol and cause road accidents but would not be done for drink driving.

There needs to be more education about 'drink driving' I think its very disingenuous to suggest that it is always deliberate. We need to be careful about the circumstances in which it happens.

MostlyHarmless · 27 Nov 2018

ComUtoR said:
Actually, yes they do. There is a lot more focus on the 'morning after' now because people are being caught the next day (1 in 6 caught the next morning). There is a misconception about how long it takes to sober up and how long it takes to process a single unit. Even the generic rule about 1 unit per hour is really just a guide and is dependent on different factors. There are also misconceptions about how many units are in each glass of alcohol. Where glass sizes and drink strengths have increased over time people were miscounting there units consumed. There are also statistics that show the people who are under the legal limit are still affected by alcohol and cause road accidents but would not be done for drink driving.

There needs to be more education about 'drink driving' I think its very disingenuous to suggest that it is always deliberate. We need to be careful about the circumstances in which it happens.

To knowingly have a drink and then drive is deliberate, but you are correct in saying that there are a lot of misconceptions around how much you can drink and how long it takes to leave your bloodstream. I'm often asked this time of year by friends and the public about how much is 'OK'. I always tell them none - that way there's no chance of them being on the wrong side of roadside breathtest, or more importantly, causing an accident.

And if you've had a skinful the night before dont' drive either. A lot of police forces run drink drive ops on weekday mornings this time of year.

greatkingrat · 27 Nov 2018

ComUtoR said:
It would be illegal to discriminate against him. Make sure that it gets declared when requested.

No it isn't. It is only illegal to discriminate against people with spent convictions, and this has only just happened.

357 · 27 Nov 2018

I think you are best to withdraw your application and wait to re-apply until your conviction is spent.

dctraindriver · 27 Nov 2018

greatkingrat said:
No it isn't. It is only illegal to discriminate against people with spent convictions, and this has only just happened.

A drink drive conviction doesn’t show up on a basic CRB (DBS) check which is asked for once succesful and contract signed, so one could argue that potentially the applicant could still be waiting over a year before starting, thus able to drive and wouldn’t have to disclose.......

I’m not here to judge, he was a **** but I’m sure a lesson learnt....

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