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SansHache

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Has the formal 'Treat as Live' notice been published yet? There are currently RRVs sat on the line at Adlington, so I assume the wires haven't been energised yet. Seem to recall Blackpool had a week of 'static' testing before the 390s were let loose?

I think it is planned for the OLE to go live this weekend followed by a week of static testing then dynamic test runs. Still chance for Santa to arrive in Bolton on an electric train this year! (Presumably it would be a Class 325 ).
 

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Congratulations Graham; a 300 page thread (n.o.) and the project is still to be delivered. The project that just keeps on giving... :lol:
 

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Now this Blackpool Manchester phase will hopefully be finished for christmas anyone have the original start and finish dates to compare.
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The very original announcement back in 2010 was December 2016.
That was for the full timetable. If it ends up being next May when meaningful electric services are running then it's 2.5 years late.
 

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That was for the full timetable. If it ends up being next May when meaningful electric services are running then it's 2.5 years late.
Could have a whole war in that time. If we had performed in 39-45 as we do now we would have lost. Perhaps they diddnt have all the clerks and organisations we have now trying to out safe each other. End of moan.
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Actually, I believe the original completion date was December 1977 until someone cancelled the job, AT THREE DAYS NOTICE, in April 1976! :lol:

The country was in a particularly bad place in 1976, and Denis Healey had to go cap in hand to the IMF for an emergency loan.
It came with significant strings attached, imposing what today we would call severe austerity (pay freeze, lower public spending etc).
Unstarted electrification schemes were an easy target to cancel.
 

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I'm looking forward to my first trip on a 319 from Leyland to Manchester (via Bolton). I've done it with Black 5's, Jubilees, Patriots, Crabs, Fairburn Tanks and various BR standard locos, diesel locos and DMUs. My first rail journeys were from Leyland to Timperley to see my grandparents pre-nationalisation and part of which was on the electrified MSJ&A. So let the sparks fly!
 

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I'm looking forward to my first trip on a 319 from Leyland to Manchester (via Bolton). I've done it with Black 5's, Jubilees, Patriots, Crabs, Fairburn Tanks and various BR standard locos, diesel locos and DMUs. My first rail journeys were from Leyland to Timperley to see my grandparents pre-nationalisation and part of which was on the electrified MSJ&A. So let the sparks fly!
You seem to be about the same vintage as I am, 52290. Lets hope we both live long enough to see this scheme completed; I'm not so confident about seeing an end to the strikes though.
 

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You seem to be about the same vintage as I am, 52290. Lets hope we both live long enough to see this scheme completed; I'm not so confident about seeing an end to the strikes though.

Being a mere chit of a lad at 63 I decided to refrain from that remark on grounds of taste. It does seem that by the May timetable we must have 319s doing these trips.
 

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Now for something completely different.

flickr have been taken over and from 8 Jan 2019 will limit people to 1000 free images (we have well over 10,000.) To have more will require a cash subscription which I am not prepared to pay. The Combined Volume and all other albums will, I assume, become defunct. I will delete all images I have entered, whether I took them or others submitted them, around Christmas.

If you are affected by this please contact the new owners.

As you may imagine, I am disappointed.

This, alas, is an inherent danger of cloud storage. Better to hold and control your own data.
 

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The country was in a particularly bad place in 1976, and Denis Healey had to go cap in hand to the IMF for an emergency loan.
It came with significant strings attached, imposing what today we would call severe austerity (pay freeze, lower public spending etc).
Unstarted electrification schemes were an easy target to cancel.

Part of the background to which was the vanity projects that had been started under the previous administration.
 
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Electrification north of Weaver Junction was finally authorised in Feb 1970 after two years of prevaracation by the government. BR had been forced to drop the schemes for the branches (Carstairs - Edinburgh, Liverpool / Manchester - Preston, Preston-Blackpool) well before then to get it past the Department of Transport. It also had to commit to closing the Settle and Carlise and single the G & SW - fortunately the former didn't happen and the latter only partially and which hopefully will be re-doubled.
 

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This, alas, is an inherent danger of cloud storage. Better to hold and control your own data.
get a device that will plug into your router. You may need a new router as not many have USB (Mine does </smug mode>)
NEVER rely on storing important files on your portable devices, incl laptops.
 

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Manchester Victoria - Preston; State of Play, week beginning 3rd December 2018.

All wire runs up! LIVE (from Euxton Jct to Buckshaw Parkway; and from Windsor Bridge South Jct to Ordsall Lane Jct/Deal St Jct) as of 1st October.
As wiring is not completed between Windsor Bridge South Jct & Buckshaw Parkway, testing has been postponed. Speed changes have also been postponed until all wires are live - this is due to be the weekend of 8th/9th of December (aka Timetable Change Day).
Test runs are now apparently booked - a 390 will do multiple Man Picc - Bolton - Preston runs overnight on 12/13 & 13/14 December, followed by a 319 doing multiple daytime Man Vic - Salford Crescent runs on December 15th.

All mileages from Manchester Victoria. Bridge mileages are approximated where noted.

1. Man Vic Station (Platforms 3-6) - Man Vic West Jct - Deal Street Jct; 0m 0ch to 0m 32ch
Fully wired and energised 2013-15.
(N.B. Platforms 1 & 2 at Man Vic have now been bedanglied; more masts may still need to be installed at the east side of Man Vic before wires can go up over all lines; however this is not considered as part of this programme. Wires due to go up here over Christmas, in cunjunction with the installation of the "Great Extension Lead" from Stalybridge.)

2. Deal Street Jct - Windsor Bridge South Jct; 0m 32ch to 1m 46ch
Fully wired and LIVE as of 1/10/18. Wires overlap into the CEMEX sidings (Hope Street). At Salford Central, the westbound (Down) platform has had RSC ducting installed at shin height.
Protruding roof beams were also cut back to facilitate the addition of wires. With Salford Central now wired, all wires are up from Manchester Victoria & Manchester Piccadilly to Euxton Jct.

3. Windsor Bridge South Jct - Windsor Bridge North Jct (inc. Salford Crescent); 1m 46ch to 1m 70ch
Salford Crescent station is fully wired; all wires east and south of Windsor Bridge South Jct are LIVE (as of 1/10/18). P1 (and the avoider) now have Section Insulators.
Repairs to the wooden fence on the eastern side have/are taken/taking place.
The crossovers at Agecroft South Jct, and Windsor Bridge North Jct are also fully wired. Wires are also up on the overruns along the Atherton Line.

4. Windsor Bridge North Jct - Bolton (South End); 1m 70ch to 10m 50ch
The track sectioning cabinets (north of Windsor Bridge North Jct, and between Moses Gate/Overbridge 47 "Squeeze Belly Entry") are now both in, but the concrete plinths on which they rest each have 3 ducting tubes sticking up, suggesting more work needs to be done.
Overhead, Salford Crescent to the Ladybridge looks juice-ready.
At Agecroft, there are a couple of masts (sans wires) in the bush alongside the sidings, leading to a terminal gantry with very odd attachments.
At Clifton, Drainage manhole modules are awaiting installation; temporary covers are over their future homes.
Bridge MVE1 27B (immediately NW of the M60 overbridge) is now open.

5. Bolton Station; 10m 50ch
Canopies look complete, and platforms now fully open. All wiring is complete.
Platform 1: Fully wired through the platform and onto the Blackburn overrun, parallel to their comrades on P3.
Platform 2: Line is fully wired (C&C) from the points at Weston St to the SSA (Self-Supporting Anchor - aka "the wicketkeeper"), which is now insulated. Buffers look finished.
Platform 3 (Up Bolton): Fully wired through P3 and onwards to Lostock & the WCML. One "overlap" mast (with 2 reg arms) has now had its "guy rope" (backstay) installed.
Platform 4 (Down Bolton): Fully wired through P4 and onwards to Lostock & the WCML.
Platform 5: UTXs wait to be installed in the works compound west of the track. Engineers have also installed a gas pipe in the ducts, to (allegedly) heat the P4/5 waiting room.

6. Bolton (North End) - Lostock (South End); 10m 50ch to 13m 52ch
All lines heading north out of Bolton are now wired: P1 & P3 to the end of the Blackburn overrun, and P3-5 towards the Bullfield Tunnels and thence to Lostock & the WCML.
Cable ducting troughs laid in the Down Side Cess between Bolton Station, past Newport Street, under Soho Street, Black Horse St & New St, and through Bullfield Tunnel.
ATF cable now in the troughs in the immediate vicinity of Bolton Station. The troughing looks all finished NW of Bolton, so it is assumed the run is now complete to Lostock.
A UTX has been installed in the "vee" in Lostock Jct; this now takes the ATF wires for both routes at Lostock Jct.
C&C wires also up on the overlap on both lines until the Limit of Wiring. Some dangly arms and half the termination insulators have not yet been installed; those on the Wigan-bound line are now installed.

7. Lostock Station; 13m 52ch
Switchgear box delivered 6th April '18. Over the August Bank Holiday Weekend, the two Autotransformers (AT1 & AT2) were delivered.
The "ziggurat" is now fenced off. Work done?
Cables connected to all the feeder points north and south of the station.
One Tensorex drum is still missing a connection to its wires, which are on a temporary webbing strap (photo B748i) - has this been resolved?

One "guyrope" (backstay) is missing on the Up side just south of the Up platform, and ducting troughs look unfinished; other than that, most of Lostock looks complete above track level.
Platform extension/resurfacing work complete on the Down platform and the Up platform.
1 of the 2 reg arms connected to the bridge are not yet registered, but otherwise all the OLE within Lostock is now complete. (is this resolved?) The registered wires have an insulating plastic shield over them.
ATF wires are in through the ducting by the station car park; they have now been guided through the UTX to the switchgear.
The arrangements at Lostock were designed to support the electrification to Wigan, so the UTX should be sized to take four feeder cables to the proposed neutral section located towards Westhoughton. Two feeders for each track, one each side of the NS. Wigan-Lostock has no AF, classic boosterless only.

8. Lostock (North End) - Euxton Jct; 13m 52ch to 25m 31ch
Two more UTXs have been installed in the "vee" between the Preston & Wigan lines, to the north of Lostock station; one takes the feeder wires for the Wigan Line, the other does the same for the Preston Line.
Immediately north of Lostock, the closest TTCs to the platforms have now sprouted part of their switchgear kit. Cables connected to all these feeder points north of the station.
ATF wires appear to be finished (at least on the Down side), from Salford Crescent up to Euxton Jct.
Orangemen at work on the footpath at the foot of the northern steps of Heath Charnock FB.

Do let me know if I've missed anything!
 

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To be fair the winter engineering closures have been a feature on the Fylde for a long time.
I read this and the GWR electrification threads, then the Scottish electrification one. How are we doing this so badly in England and Wales while Scotland seem to be able to deliver on time?
 

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I read this and the GWR electrification threads, then the Scottish electrification one. How are we doing this so badly in England and Wales while Scotland seem to be able to deliver on time?

The main EGIP route (via Falkirk High) was delayed and cost more than planned, partly due to clearance rules which changed during construction.
The Stirling and Shotts schemes do seem to have come in better, having learnt the lessons. The earlier Cumbernauld and Whifflet schemes were also relatively painless.
In the north west, things started reasonably well (Manchester-Golborne was "just" on time) but went steadily downhill from there.
The Chase line suffered from ground problems, Bromsgrove was just "late", GOBLIN had to be broken into several expensive stages.
Bedford-Corby has been stop-start and is only now getting back on track. Rotherham tram-train was very late/over budget.
We can see the delays in all these projects from milestone reports, but the cost side is still largely hidden in secrecy.
I doubt if any scheme has been delivered anything like "on budget".
 
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