Intercity Deutsche Bahn and XC

Masboroughlad · 29 Nov 2018

Travelling IC with DB. Decided to go 1st class as priced not much more - Bremen to Leipzig.

Well, they've learned from Arriva XC..... the catering on-board is now terrible. 4 hour journey and one scabby sandwich on offer. I take it that catering is now outsourced? It is crap!

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Masboroughlad · 29 Nov 2018

And first class on this double deck IC is no better than Regio DB trains.

Bletchleyite · 29 Nov 2018

DB First Class has never offered complimentary catering, instead it is priced more reasonably at a multiplier of about 1.5. If they've started giving you a free cheese butty then that's a considerable upgrade. Previously the deal (which I prefer) was that you could order anything from the menu but it would be brought to your seat on proper crockery etc.

Bletchleyite · 29 Nov 2018

Masboroughlad said:
And first class on this double deck IC is no better than Regio DB trains.

They basically are regional trains, which sort-of signifies that IC has been downgraded to being more of a souped up commercially viable regional express.

ainsworth74 · 29 Nov 2018

That doesn't really tally with my experience. The catering in 1st class over there is paid for not complementary so it's very different to UK.

I travelled several times in 1st class with DB on ICE and once on an IC service in early September and found the catering to be good on the whole. The crew were sometimes a little absent but there were usually plenty of opportunities to order food and drink and nothing was ever out of stock. I had an excellent breakfast of scrambled eggs and sausages on one ICE. On other I had a tasty sandwich. And on the IC whilst I didn't have any food they were clearly serving the full menu as I saw someone get some sandwiches and another got some soup. I think it might have been bad luck perhaps?

Masboroughlad · 29 Nov 2018

No catering car. Stewardess with a tiny basket with very limited stock (2 items) of cold items from Ditsch. Very poor

AlexNL · 29 Nov 2018

The double deck IC trains (IC2) were ordered as a stop-gap measure as the introduction of the ICx trains (now ICE4) was delayed. Now that DB are planning to significantly expand their Fernverkehr network by 2030, the IC2 will play a bigger role than originally planned - they will be used for services which do not or rarely exceed 160 km/h.

The trains are a follow-on order to a batch of regional express trains, so they could be ordered without having to put it out to tender. This is why there's no bistro area in them.

To overcome not having a catering offering at all DB Fernverkehr have introduced at seat service, the operation of which has been outsourced to LSG SkyChefs.

30907 · 29 Nov 2018

The advertised offer is "snacks and drinks," but such a restricted offer isn't exactly impressive. Very few ICs now carry a full restaurant.

duesselmartin · 29 Nov 2018

Masboroughlad said:
Travelling IC with DB. Decided to go 1st class as priced not much more - Bremen to Leipzig.

Well, they've learned from Arriva XC..... the catering on-board is now terrible. 4 hour journey and one scabby sandwich on offer. I take it that catering is now outsourced? It is crap!

OT. As I will be travelling XC for the first time, what catering is available? It will be Edinburgh to Oxford.
Ad to Twindexx IC2, yes they don't have a bistro car. Partially because it is seen AS uneconomic.
In the past, some RE regional trains even had Café ateas in them so with a 6th carriage, a bistro would have been possible.

AlexNL · 29 Nov 2018

30907 said:
The advertised offer is "snacks and drinks," but such a restricted offer isn't exactly impressive. Very few ICs now carry a full restaurant.

At the beginning of the year I had an IC2 from Hannover to Leipzig. The on board catering had beer and snacks (a tray of tapas) so no complaints here.

It's not a full restaurant. Menus can be found on www.bahn.de/ic2.

cactustwirly · 29 Nov 2018

duesselmartin said:
OT. As I will be travelling XC for the first time, what catering is available? It will be Edinburgh to Oxford.
Ad to Twindexx IC2, yes they don't have a bistro car. Partially because it is seen AS uneconomic.
In the past, some RE regional trains even had Café ateas in them so with a 6th carriage, a bistro would have been possible.

It will be very similar to the stuff on the IC2
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media/3051/a4-retail-tariff.pdf

Bletchleyite · 29 Nov 2018

cactustwirly said:
It will be very similar to the stuff on the IC2
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media/3051/a4-retail-tariff.pdf

Perhaps XC should take a trip to Aldi or Lidl and make their catering a bit more Teutonic? I'd imagine a Weißbier or two would go down well!

tasky · 3 Dec 2018

I took an DB IC from Salzburg to Frankfurt earlier this year (6 hours) and loved it (it started off as a EuroCity until it got to Munich though I think). I ate a couple of rounds of wurst ordered from the dining car in the next carriage. Eaten on a plate with proper crockery at a four-table (I was seemingly the only person in first class so had it all to myself).

cactustwirly · 3 Dec 2018

tasky said:
I took an DB IC from Salzburg to Frankfurt earlier this year (6 hours) and loved it (it started off as a EuroCity until it got to Munich though I think). I ate a couple of rounds of wurst ordered from the dining car in the next carriage. Eaten on a plate with proper crockery at a four-table (I was seemingly the only person in first class so had it all to myself).

But was it a DB or OeBB service though?

superalbs · 3 Dec 2018

cactustwirly said:
But was it a DB or OeBB service though?

Seems like DB?
https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=DB&kategorie=IC&cislo=1296&nazev=&rok=2018&lang=en

gordonthemoron · 4 Dec 2018

I can't say I'm that impressed with IC2s, and I am no big fan of ICE-Ts either. ICE1, ICE2, ICE3 and Metropolitan sets are fine though. Not been on an ICE4 yet

Alfie1014 · 4 Dec 2018

Well you’d not be impressed with ICE-2 Tz212 Potsdam today it caught fire at Hannover Hbf whilst working a Berlin to Koln service. Not badly damaged I’m glad to say but emergency services in attendance and much disruption.

tasky · 4 Dec 2018

superalbs said:
Seems like DB?
https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=DB&kategorie=IC&cislo=1296&nazev=&rok=2018&lang=en

Yeah it was definitely a DB

VioletEclipse · 4 Dec 2018

Alfie1014 said:
Well you’d not be impressed with ICE-2 Tz212 Potsdam today it caught fire at Hannover Hbf whilst working a Berlin to Koln service. Not badly damaged I’m glad to say but emergency services in attendance and much disruption.

Not good, any idea which ICE 2 it was? 402212?

Alfie1014 · 4 Dec 2018

VioletEclipse said:
Not good, any idea which ICE 2 it was? 402212?

I believe so.

VioletEclipse · 4 Dec 2018

Alfie1014 said:
I believe so.

It seems that 402212 doesn't exist, it could have been 402012 though.

Alfie1014 · 5 Dec 2018

It was named Potsdam if that helps?

Report in German press of the incident https://m.bild.de/regional/hannover...s-12-im-hauptbahnhof-58819038.bildMobile.html

D6700 · 5 Dec 2018

Here is a list of ICE names and set numbers, although it doesn't do the class conversions from Tz numbers.

https://docplayer.org/docview/26/2090389/#file=/storage/26/2090389/2090389.pdf

swissrailpassion · 7 Dec 2018

I was on an ICE 3 to Leipzig the other day and within 10 minutes of getting on board I was in the buffet car eating sausages and drinking a beer.

VioletEclipse · 8 Dec 2018

swissrailpassion said:
I was on an ICE 3 to Leipzig the other day and within 10 minutes of getting on board I was in the buffet car eating sausages and drinking a beer.

German style!

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I prefer the ICE 1 and ICE 2, they are nicer to travel on IMO, but I haven't yet travelled on an ICE 4, but I plan to.

cactustwirly · 8 Dec 2018

VioletEclipse said:
German style! .

I prefer the ICE 1 and ICE 2, they are nicer to travel on IMO, but I haven't yet travelled on an ICE 4, but I plan to.

Personally I prefer an ICE 3 over an ICE 1!
Especially between Koeln & Frankfurt, or Ingolstadt & Nuernberg

VioletEclipse · 8 Dec 2018

cactustwirly said:
Personally I prefer an ICE 3 over an ICE 1!
Especially between Koeln & Frankfurt, or Ingolstadt & Nuernberg

I enjoy ICE 3s as well, but I prefer ICE 1s and 2s as I use them more often between Hamburg, Berlin, Bremen and Göttingen, nice and comfy seats

duesselmartin · 8 Dec 2018

I prefer IC 1 over IC 2

43096 · 11 Dec 2018

cactustwirly said:
Personally I prefer an ICE 3 over an ICE 1!
Especially between Koeln & Frankfurt, or Ingolstadt & Nuernberg

I believe ICE1s aren’t cleared for Köln-Frankfurt.

superalbs · 11 Dec 2018

43096 said:
I believe ICE1s aren’t cleared for Köln-Frankfurt.

I read so too, because they are too sluggish.

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