Class 378 refresh

Julian G · 25 Nov 2018

TRAX said:
Do you have a picture of that ?

Yep, taken from the footbridge at Highbury & Islington.

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TRAX · 25 Nov 2018

Thanks ! Roof numbers are nice.

Islineclear3_1 · 25 Nov 2018

Yeh great view from the platform

Islineclear3_1 · 6 Dec 2018

What has replaced 136 at Ilford please?

Islineclear3_1 · 8 Dec 2018

37.611 has hauled 136 to NX Silwood sidings today.

Anyone know what went the other way?

MatthewRead · 8 Dec 2018

When will the 378/2s get their turn for this refresh?

Islineclear3_1 · 8 Dec 2018

MatthewRead said:
When will the 378/2s get their turn for this refresh?

Probably after the 378/1s...?

Skoodle · 9 Dec 2018

robert7111a said:
Anyone know what went the other way?

It returned to Wembley on it's own.

MatthewRead said:
When will the 378/2s get their turn for this refresh?

I'd imagine they're doing the 378/1s first, so that there is no backlash from passengers thinking they're the new 710s before they actually arrive.

jopsuk · 9 Dec 2018

Presumably the A on the end of the roof number denotes the A end of the unit?

What's the operational use for the roof number? It's in large type, so it'll be visible from quite an elevation- I know TfL buses also have roof numbers

Skoodle · 9 Dec 2018

jopsuk said:
Presumably the A on the end of the roof number denotes the A end of the unit?

What's the operational use for the roof number? It's in large type, so it'll be visible from quite an elevation- I know TfL buses also have roof numbers

Correct, it's showing DMOS A, can't say what the reasoning is for it though.

TRAX · 9 Dec 2018

Helicopters ?

Islineclear3_1 · 9 Dec 2018

Skoodle said:
Correct, it's showing DMOS A, can't say what the reasoning is for it though.

A modern version of the black triangle perhaps? (even though there is no brake van...) :lol:

CCTV cameras in depot(s) perhaps to identify units as the numbers aren't on the front any more?

Goldfish62 · 15 Dec 2018

I had my first trip on a refreshed unit the other day. The seats looked nice enough but I'm not convinced that the old covers needed replacing yet. However I don't like the new dark orange of the grab rails. I much preferred the bright and modern shade that matched the Overground corporate orange.

Overall, I can't help but think it's rather unnecessary given TfL's precarious financial situation

samuelmorris · 15 Dec 2018

As far as I can tell it's not about refurbishment at all but brand harmonisation. The 378s were looking a little bit dog-eared in some cases but still gleaming by comparison to things like the 72 and 92 tube stock. I can only assume it's because they want all Overground stock to carry the current branding and look sharp when the 710s are introduced.

rebmcr · 15 Dec 2018

Goldfish62 said:
Overall, I can't help but think it's rather unnecessary given TfL's precarious financial situation

Arriva Rail London are paying.

Mikey C · 16 Dec 2018

rebmcr said:
Arriva Rail London are paying.

But only because they are ultimately paid to as part of their contract

Unnecessary spending for me also, at a time when TfL are making big cuts elsewhere

Goldfish62 · 16 Dec 2018

rebmcr said:
Arriva Rail London are paying.

TfL own the trains and are responsible for all but the lightest daily maintenance.

168lover · 16 Dec 2018

Goldfish62 said:
TfL own the trains and are responsible for all but the lightest daily maintenance.

Not true. Any maintenance from major overhauls like train refurbs or Bogie Overhauls to daily cleaning and train preps are done in house by Bombardier themselves at either Willesden Junction Depot, New Cross Gate Depot or in the case of preps everyday set sidings and station localions around London.

jon0844 · 16 Dec 2018

samuelmorris said:
I can only assume it's because they want all Overground stock to carry the current branding and look sharp when the 710s are introduced.

Then they had all the time in the world to do it.

mmh · 16 Dec 2018

What a complete waste of money. But I suppose it is TFL, anything else would be a shock.

Goldfish62 · 16 Dec 2018

168lover said:
Not true. Any maintenance from major overhauls like train refurbs or Bogie Overhauls to daily cleaning and train preps are done in house by Bombardier themselves at either Willesden Junction Depot, New Cross Gate Depot or in the case of preps everyday set sidings and station localions around London.

Most of the engineering staff were TUPEd over to TfL when the new concession started.

Islineclear3_1 · 24 Dec 2018

387.136 was in service today. By my reckoning, this is the 4th unit dealt with now

I noted 37.611 in NXG depot this afternoon - presumably to take 378.138 to Ilford

Electrojuniper · 1 Jan 2019

Units refreshed currently are: 135,136,147,150. No other units currently at ilford.

Islineclear3_1 · 1 Jan 2019

Electrojuniper said:
Units refreshed currently are: 135,136,147,150. No other units currently at ilford.

Thanks for clarifying. 138 was in service today

Milo T.K · 15 Feb 2019

didnt take long but one of the refreshed ones got tagged

Elshad · 16 Feb 2019

If they were trying to match the 710s they’ve messed up the car ends. On the 710s the black window band does not wrap around the ends of the cars, but on this new 378 livery it does.

Seems like an oversight.

ijmad · 16 Feb 2019

Elshad said:
If they were trying to match the 710s they’ve messed up the car ends. On the 710s the black window band does not wrap around the ends of the cars, but on this new 378 livery it does.

Seems like an oversight.

I think the paint job would look a lot better if they were able to paint the front end orange like the 710s. Maybe this was the intention but they couldn't get it cleared through the ORR. Perhaps it's still the intention eventually.

samuelmorris · 16 Feb 2019

ijmad said:
I think the paint job would look a lot better if they were able to paint the front end orange like the 710s. Maybe this was the intention but they couldn't get it cleared through the ORR. Perhaps it's still the intention eventually.

I believe that was the case - I'm sure I recall a 378 being shown in a livery with a black/orange front end briefly before it was modified.

Elshad · 16 Feb 2019

Agree. But I was referring to the non-cab ends, which don’t match the 710

ijmad · 16 Feb 2019

Elshad said:
Agree. But I was referring to the non-cab ends, which don’t match the 710

Sorry, evidently I have Saturday morning illiteracy.

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