TPE appeared to have a rather good day up until this evening when a fatality on the Airport line and a 185 failure put a bit of a downer on things.
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In agreement with / when told to do so by Network Rail LNE control, occasionally.
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They can go straight onto the depot if required, plus keeps the trains out of the way of the mainly used through platforms 5-9-10
Are you actually suggesting that Network Rail have the power to cancel trains without the operator agreeing? I can see them asking for a TOC to agree but dictating that "you will cancel this train come what may" seems extremely unlikely
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Not quite, but there was recently an agreement that if a TPE train is xx amount of minutes late it was either turned around short of destination, or was cancelled throughout, to avoid disruption to other services on route.
As far as I'm aware that is TPE's own internal guidelines that they agreed with Network Rail. Not an external dictat from Network Rail.
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Recovery plan agreed between TPE and Network Rail. The terminations short at Stalybridge have happened more or less once a day, but the stop orders necessary in order to maintain a reasonable level of service at local stations haven't.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/requ...Plan Issue 4 Rev 1 May 2018 Redacted.pdf.html
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/requ...Plan Issue 4 Rev 1 May 2018 Redacted.pdf.html
The service at Scarborough is much improved this week in the sense that there has been only one cancellation, late on Monday when there were problems mentioned in post 631.
However, the inbound punctuality hasn't been amazing and one reason for the improvement is that they have - thankfully - stopped turning the late trains at Malton. Now trains that are even 30 minutes late have run through to Scarborough.
However, the inbound punctuality hasn't been amazing and one reason for the improvement is that they have - thankfully - stopped turning the late trains at Malton. Now trains that are even 30 minutes late have run through to Scarborough.
I also see that the 0600 Scarborough-Manchester Airport is still failing to get to Manchester Airport on time, although at least it has made it there each day this week - once 33L and once 22L. I have never once seen on RTT that this train has arrived at the airport on time on Mondays to Fridays since it was introduced in the May timetable change.
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Which was that?
RTT shows everything running and no cancellations at Scarborough for Monday 10th.
If they can hold it together for a two more days we could have a complete week with no cancellations. How long has it been since we had that?
Long may this continue!
Sorry, my mistake, it was on Tuesday, the 22.35 inbound/22.46 outbound.
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I think that’s more political pressure than anything.
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TPE appear to have managed an entire working week without any cancellations at Slaithwaite.
That's a huge improvement, albeit from a very low base. From 20th May to 8th December, they never managed two consecutive weekdays free of cancellations.
That's a huge improvement, albeit from a very low base. From 20th May to 8th December, they never managed two consecutive weekdays free of cancellations.
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I get the distinct feeling that the recovery plan has been changed by TPE with the new timetable. If they were still following this one they would have cancelled a few of the services under the May 2018 criteria as shown here.
Also interesting to see that one end of the north route in Liverpool was guaranteed a service every hour during disruption in the central core of the route but parts of the other end (Scarborough and Middlesbrough) were by the recovery plan possible to have no service at all for extended periods if problems existed in the central core of the route. Not something TPE were admitting at all at the time...
Spot on that the improvements are from a very low base and that the drop in cancellations is due to a different approach.
Several arrivals into Scarborough are still late and would have been turned at Malton before. Thank goodness for this - but when the trains start arriving in Scarborough on time and the 0600 Scarborough - Manchester Airport arrives on time every day, which is what is actually supposed to happen, I’ll give the service the thumbs up.
Several arrivals into Scarborough are still late and would have been turned at Malton before. Thank goodness for this - but when the trains start arriving in Scarborough on time and the 0600 Scarborough - Manchester Airport arrives on time every day, which is what is actually supposed to happen, I’ll give the service the thumbs up.
I wouldn't go giving TPE too many accolades just yet as the service was pretty atrocious last night. What ever happens on late shift most nights i don't know bit it generally falls over on it's self for the rest of the night with multiple can cancellations sometimes with no trains for hours.
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Is the token Scarborough - Manchester Airport service *that* important beyond Oxford Road/ Piccadilly? There are plenty of services from there to the Airport (and it arrives into central Manchester in the morning rush hour, so not long to wait for the next Airport service)?
I wouldn't go giving TPE too many accolades just yet as the service was pretty atrocious last night. What ever happens on late shift most nights it's generally falls over on it's self for the rest of the night.
Given last night's weather (Deirdre), and the additional passengers rammed onto TPE services due to lack of Northern trains, the fact that most services on your picture are either bang on time or running within fifteen minutes isn't too shabby - I'm not saying it's perfect - I'd be annoyed if one of my services was affected of course but I was expecting the railway to handle the storms worse than actually happened.
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Some of those cancellations were down to lack of traincrew though, which seems to be a repeated problem on North TPE on Saturdays
While I agree the storm probably didn't help as chris says this happens every Saturday with the same trains biting the dust so clearly there are still issues. Hopefully the new crop of drivers passes out soon and things will improve ✌️
I get this train nigh on every day. Problem is usually caused because of the Castlefield corridor. If only work had gone into some new platforms at Man Pic!
Yes, Network Rail have that power and the operator has very little option but to agree - it's called 'Operation Firebreak' in the Manchester area.
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But unfortunately they never seem to make special stops at Newton Le Willows or Lea Green to cover for the "missing" trains.
It's not a matter of how "important" it is. I'd have thought an absolute fundamental basic of passenger service provision would be that services generally run according to the timetable. By the way, it was 16 late into Manchester Airport this morning.
I had a non-stop run from Manchester Vic to Oxford Road today at 13.10 on a TPE train ex Middlesbrough - green signals all the way, must be a first time for me. We left Victoria 3 late and were on time from Piccadilly, but then lost time as we caught up with another train at East Didsbury and arrived at MIA 5 minutes late.
Because of the Castlefield corridor... as usual. I should know, I was on it. Not sure what any TOC or even Network Rail can do, bar taking services out of the corridor. Look at the DfT for this. Man Pic needed those two extra platforms.
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No, not entirely due to the Castlefield corridor. It was 10L at Stalybridge, having got trapped behind the late running Huddersfield to Piccadilly stopper. Still 8L leaving Victoria, but for which it would have probably got an earlier routing through Castlefield. Then, after leaving Piccadilly 14L, the final 2 minutes of delay were caused by queuing for a platform at the Airport. The new 40 minute turnrounds at the Airport mean that an extra 185 is effectively occupying half of one of the four platforms all day long, making such delays more likely. Although they do also mean that delayed services are now making it all the way to the Airport....
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y80898/2018/12/17/advanced
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It was actually good signalling as the signaller had 1M90 (Glasgow-Airport)around it at Oxford Road thus ensuring that arrived on time at Manchester Airport.
To show the complex (some would say foolhardy)nature of the Deansgate corridor whilst on 1M90 I noticed a Holyhead-Manchester Piccadilly and a Barrow-Manchester Airport (also both late into the Deansgate corridor) in front of it along with the delayed Scarborogh -Airport coming from Victoria.
Agree totally that the whole cramming of Northern England's long(and short) distance train services into a 2 track corridor needs reviewing as this problem won't ever go away as any train delayed hits far too many others.
The DFT, TOCs and Network Rail need to come up with a sensible solution long term(even if it's revert to less trains as per May timetable collapse but run with more coaches)even if it means franchise commitments need changing.
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