northernchris
Established Member
- Joined
- 24 Jul 2011
- Messages
- 1,509
I get the impression TPE aren't interested in serving the local stations - they seem to view them as an inconvenience to their express services
-
Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!
December 2018 timetable changes (some now confirmed scrapped) - contagion spreads
- Thread starter Scotrail88
- Start date
- Status
I get the impression TPE aren't interested in serving the local stations - they seem to view them as an inconvenience to their express services
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R
RailUK Forums
Killingworth
Established Member
I'm afraid it's in the name TP Express. Small station stops prevent them from being truly Express. Much as we'd all like as many stops as possible, the more they stop the less express they become.
Spartacus
Established Member
- Joined
- 25 Aug 2009
- Messages
- 2,917
This was a simple Leeds - Huddersfield stopper though, only under TPE’s name due to bad ideas of the last timetable. Ready to depart right time, failed to call at any of it’s intermediate stations. For comparison XC don’t decide to pack in all the stops on their stoppers on routes also served by expresses.
Off hand the only TOCs who do things like that run such frequent services it barely matters, or put in special stop orders, which are a foreign concept to TPE.
Kite159
Veteran Member
And yet TPE tends to get away without the bad press (compared to Northern/GTR).
Every time they skip a stop they should be fined £1000 per stop removed, that way they won't be so "rip out all the stops" happy.
Every time they skip a stop they should be fined £1000 per stop removed, that way they won't be so "rip out all the stops" happy.
Spartacus
Established Member
- Joined
- 25 Aug 2009
- Messages
- 2,917
The reason for it turns out to be TPE being daft. The service is crewed by a Northern driver and TPE guard, which makes sense, but appears to need a TPE driver on board for some reason. Due to them missing their pass working on a Northern service back to Leeds due to a late running TPE service (due to late Northern) they couldn't make the 1953. Now quite why they need a TPE driver on board I don't know, especially as it was permitted to run in passenger service without one, just omitting all the intermediate stops while remaining in it's booked path, Northern duplicate the route and stopping pattern as far as Heaton Lodge Jn, so I'd have thought Deighton might be thought to be the only station where a Northern driver would need a conductor, which if it didn't call there would be of little consequence due to the Wakefield - Huddersfield all stations being right behind it.
First Group did bid for a franchise which included a requirement for 2 x 'semi-fast' services on North TPE.
Could it be the TPE driver doesn't sign 170s and the Northern driver doesn't sign the route?
Spartacus
Established Member
- Joined
- 25 Aug 2009
- Messages
- 2,917
I can't imagine the TPE driver signing 170s, or of they did it would be just luck, but it went without the TPE driver by the booked route while in passenger service though, so the Northern driver signed the route.
This post does not quite make any sense? The service in question calls at all stations, and couldn't be considered 'Express' by anybody.
Not a good day on the Harrogate line by all accounts- a lot of late running and knock-on delays on the single track sections between York and Knaresborough. The 1029 Leeds-York ran fast to Harrogate, I noticed as I was passing through Leeds at the time.
nr758123
Member
That's exactly what the passengers at those local stations think, based on their own experiences of the past six months and TPEs complete indifference.
It doesn't matter that the E in TPE stands for Express. They entered into a franchise which included a range of local services, and should be required to provide those services. It shouldn't be an optional extra which they can do if they feel like it. Instead, they have been allowed to cherry-pick which bits of the franchise agreement they fulfil.
AmateurRambler
Member
- Joined
- 16 Sep 2013
- Messages
- 76
The agreement reached between TPE and Northern to operate this service is as follows.
The 170 will be crewed by a Leeds-based Northern driver (who signs both the traction and the route) and a TPE guard. In addition a TPE driver must be aboard the train. I undestand this is so as to guarantee no loss of work for TPE drivers.
Incidentally it has also been agreed that if required by lack of platform capacity at Huddersfield the unit will run ECS to Marsden from where it will return to Huddersfield. The Northern driver will be route conducted by the TPE driver during this move.
Spartacus
Established Member
- Joined
- 25 Aug 2009
- Messages
- 2,917
I did suspect something like that, but it still leaves the question over when it can in service, but failed to stop at all intermediate stations. Literally nobody won as it went without the TPE driver.
What has caused the 08:59 Leeds to Knaresborough to get booted from Platform 4A/4B at Leeds to Platform 1A?
Makes my connection in a morning a complete gamble now, my 08:30 train into Leeds arrives into Platform 17A around 08:50 - 08:55 so a bit hit and miss! Thankfully the former does like to depart 09:00 - 09:05 rather than on time quite frequently!
Makes my connection in a morning a complete gamble now, my 08:30 train into Leeds arrives into Platform 17A around 08:50 - 08:55 so a bit hit and miss! Thankfully the former does like to depart 09:00 - 09:05 rather than on time quite frequently!
sufian123
Member
- Status