TPE appeared to have a rather good day up until this evening when a fatality on the Airport line and a 185 failure put a bit of a downer on things.
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TPE control make that decision.
I had a trip from Leeds to York and return today on TPE- didn't notice any short turnbacks being announced and although there were a few delays, usually not much more than 2-3 minutes.
I have noticed that a few of the Northern services now terminate on Plt. 11 at York. This being at the far end of the station, does anyone know why?
In agreement with / when told to do so by Network Rail LNE control, occasionally.
Are you actually suggesting that Network Rail have the power to cancel trains without the operator agreeing? I can see them asking for a TOC to agree but dictating that "you will cancel this train come what may" seems extremely unlikely
As far as I'm aware that is TPE's own internal guidelines that they agreed with Network Rail. Not an external dictat from Network Rail.Not quite, but there was recently an agreement that if a TPE train is xx amount of minutes late it was either turned around short of destination, or was cancelled throughout, to avoid disruption to other services on route.
Which was that?The service at Scarborough is much improved this week in the sense that there has been only one cancellation, late on Monday when there were problems mentioned in post 631.
Which was that?
RTT shows everything running and no cancellations at Scarborough for Monday 10th.
If they can hold it together for a two more days we could have a complete week with no cancellations. How long has it been since we had that?
Long may this continue!
Recovery plan agreed between TPE and Network Rail. The terminations short at Stalybridge have happened more or less once a day, but the stop orders necessary in order to maintain a reasonable level of service at local stations haven't.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/509694/response/1230755/attach/html/5/OC6.G04 Service Recovery Plan Issue 4 Rev 1 May 2018 Redacted.pdf.html
when the trains start arriving in Scarborough on time and the 0600 Scarborough - Manchester Airport arrives on time every day, which is what is actually supposed to happen, I’ll give the service the thumbs up.
Given last night's weather (Deirdre), and the additional passengers rammed onto TPE services due to lack of Northern trains, the fact that most services on your picture are either bang on time or running within fifteen minutes isn't too shabby - I'm not saying it's perfect - I'd be annoyed if one of my services was affected of course but I was expecting the railway to handle the storms worse than actually happened.
I also see that the 0600 Scarborough-Manchester Airport is still failing to get to Manchester Airport on time, although at least it has made it there each day this week - once 33L and once 22L. I have never once seen on RTT that this train has arrived at the airport on time on Mondays to Fridays since it was introduced in the May timetable change.
Yes, Network Rail have that power and the operator has very little option but to agree - it's called 'Operation Firebreak' in the Manchester area.Are you actually suggesting that Network Rail have the power to cancel trains without the operator agreeing? I can see them asking for a TOC to agree but dictating that "you will cancel this train come what may" seems extremely unlikely
I get the distinct feeling that the recovery plan has been changed by TPE with the new timetable. If they were still following this one they would have cancelled a few of the services under the May 2018 criteria as shown here.
Also interesting to see that one end of the north route in Liverpool was guaranteed a service every hour during disruption in the central core of the route but parts of the other end (Scarborough and Middlesbrough) were by the recovery plan possible to have no service at all for extended periods if problems existed in the central core of the route. Not something TPE were admitting at all at the time...
Is the token Scarborough - Manchester Airport service *that* important beyond Oxford Road/ Piccadilly?
It's not a matter of how "important" it is. I'd have thought an absolute fundamental basic of passenger service provision would be that services generally run according to the timetable. By the way, it was 16 late into Manchester Airport this morning.
No, not entirely due to the Castlefield corridor. It was 10L at Stalybridge, having got trapped behind the late running Huddersfield to Piccadilly stopper. Still 8L leaving Victoria, but for which it would have probably got an earlier routing through Castlefield. Then, after leaving Piccadilly 14L, the final 2 minutes of delay were caused by queuing for a platform at the Airport. The new 40 minute turnrounds at the Airport mean that an extra 185 is effectively occupying half of one of the four platforms all day long, making such delays more likely. Although they do also mean that delayed services are now making it all the way to the Airport....Because of the Castlefield corridor... as usual. I should know, I was on it. Not sure what any TOC or even Network Rail can do, bar taking services out of the corridor. Look at the DfT for this. Man Pic needed those two extra platforms.
Because of the Castlefield corridor... as usual. I should know, I was on it. Not sure what any TOC or even Network Rail can do, bar taking services out of the corridor. Look at the DfT for this. Man Pic needed those two extra platforms.