ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages

Cardiff123 · 15 Dec 2018

6Gtraincrew said:
I think there are six 158's done so far. No 150's completed yet.

Only 12 months to go then............. :'(

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PHILIPE · 15 Dec 2018

6Gtraincrew said:
I think there are six 158's done so far. No 150's completed yet.

Quarter way through the 158s then

anamyd · 15 Dec 2018

My list on page 4 (which is still being updated) shows that 158-822/831/819/818/823/829 are PRM modified, the other 18 158s aren't, and I haven't started on the 150s yet, but it's a bit buried due to in fact being on page 4. Should we start a new dedicated thread for the PRM mods with the list on it, considering the title of this thread has since been changed to "...stock shortages"...?

PHILIPE · 15 Dec 2018

anamyd said:
My list on page 4 (which is still being updated) shows that 158-822/831/819/818/823/829 are PRM modified, the other 18 158s aren't, and I haven't started on the 150s yet, but it's a bit buried due to in fact being on page 4. Should we start a new dedicated thread for the PRM mods with the list on it, considering the title of this thread has since been changed to "...stock shortages"...?

Funny that, the original title of this thread was PRM Mods but because it drifted onto what it is now, the title changed to the current one. Good idea to start a new thread but at the current rate of Mods there won't be very much in it.

Gareth Marston · 15 Dec 2018

Everything this morning through Newtown ran with diagrammed number of units.

Collected daughter from Craven Arms this afternoon on her way back from uni. The 1331 Ex Manchester Piccadily was a 150, she was mainly cheesed off as it was only 2 car. However this was overshadowed by her TPE service ( 3 car 185) from Durham to Manchester which she described as crush loaded the whole way. platform staff at Leeds were trying to do a form of "triage" as to who they would let on.

anamyd · 16 Dec 2018

The 7th PRM modified 158 back in service is 158-826, leaving 17 unmodified 158s remaining. A new dedicated TfW Rail "current fleet list and updates" thread will be created by me tonight, and will cover PRM modification (including 150s once the first are modified and back in service) and livery progress for the whole fleet. I'll link it here when I've created it.

PHILIPE · 17 Dec 2018

First trains for spell on Conwy Valley Line today

krus_aragon · 17 Dec 2018

The rolling stock situation has clearly improved, as I've seen a 2x2-car 175 in service on the NW coast(!) Things are still a bit jumbled up, though, as there's a 150 on the 12:32 Holyhead - Maesteg.

trainophile · 17 Dec 2018

krus_aragon said:
The rolling stock situation has clearly improved, as I've seen a 2x2-car 175 in service on the NW coast(!) Things are still a bit jumbled up, though, as there's a 150 on the 12:32 Holyhead - Maesteg.

Is that one still terminating at Shrewsbury?

PHILIPE · 17 Dec 2018

trainophile said:
Is that one still terminating at Shrewsbury?

If it's normal working again, then No. There is a "critical" coach missing though for the heavily overloaded portion of journey between Cardiff and Maesteg unless TFW rustle up an attachment or swap at Cardiff.the

33017 · 17 Dec 2018

Cardiff123 said:
Are any fully PRM'd TfW 150s back in service yet? Any news on 150284/285 that have been pictured in workshops?

Last I saw both expected to be released this Friday but 285 in particular has had several previous release dates...

PaulHarding150 · 17 Dec 2018

In a completely unscientific survey of my daily travels, I have seen far fewer TfW class 150s on the network in and around Cardiff (both for my own journies and services passing through Cardiff Central & Queen Street) and that’s been the case for a good few weeks now.

Does anyone know if this is a coincidence, a hangover from the storm or have a few been taken away for PRM modifications?

Cardiff123 · 17 Dec 2018

33017 said:
Last I saw both expected to be released this Friday but 285 in particular has had several previous release dates...

Are 150284/285 being released after being fully PRM modified?

Also, have any of the 158s that have gone through PRM mods since October come back internally in TfW colours (red/black/white) or is the ATW colour scheme being kept?

krus_aragon · 17 Dec 2018

The mainstream media have cottoned on to the resumption of the normal timetable, and the BBC has a summary of the debarcle along with various commuter comments: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46443629

Phil from Mon · 17 Dec 2018

krus_aragon said:
The mainstream media have cottoned on to the resumption of the normal timetable, and the BBC has a summary of the debarcle along with various commuter comments: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46443629

The article reads

Engineers have been working around the clock to fix an "unprecedented" number of trains taken out of service for repairs, according rail bosses.
Commuters have been critical of disruptions since Transport for Wales (TfW) took on the franchise in October.
Thirty-six out of 127 trains have needed fixing, with staff doing 1,000 hours of overtime, rail chiefs said.
TfW said after weeks of problems it began operating a full service from Monday.
"After a number of difficult and challenging weeks with so many of our fleet damaged we are pleased to have returned to a full service today," said Colin Lea, TfW's customer experience director.
Daily traveller Owen Pugsley, 27, said he has been facing "constant delays" on services between Merthyr Tydfil and Cardiff.
"You get cancellations for things like it being too wet," he said.
"How can you not know it is going to be wet in Wales? I don't understand."
He added: "The trains are just appalling."
Engineers have been fitting "wheel-slide protection" technology to the existing fleet to make them "more resilient to autumn conditions", according to TfW chief executive James Price.
Passenger Jessie Howells, 22, took to social media to recount problems after her carriage lights failed, the train's toilets did not work and the conductor could not issue tickets as his machine was faulty on the 08:23 from Cwmbran earlier this month.
She said passengers collectively "cracked up laughing" after the conductor highlighted the catalogue of problems over the tannoy,
But commuter Gregg Johnston, 38, who travels from Newport to his job at Cardiff University, added: "It's clear we're getting a strict economy service and England is getting first class."
Anthony Smith, chief executive of the independent watchdog Transport Focus, said passengers wanted "reliable services on which they can get a seat and are good value for money".
He claimed passengers in Wales were "travelling on trains well past their sell-by date".
TfW chief executive James Price has promised an investment of £5bn to "transform rail services" over the next 15 years, with £800m for new trains and £194m in station improvements.
"While we have ambitious long term plans to transform our services, ongoing issues caused by recent storms, autumnal conditions and ageing trains have led to an unprecedented number of our trains being out of service recently causing disruption for our customers," he said.
"We recognise how important it is to give our customers the best experience as soon as possible, which is why we are investing £40m in our current fleet to fund a range of improvements including additional services as well as customer experience and accessibility improvements."

anamyd · 17 Dec 2018

Phil from Mon said:
The article reads

Engineers have been working around the clock to fix an "unprecedented" number of trains taken out of service for repairs, according rail bosses.
Commuters have been critical of disruptions since Transport for Wales (TfW) took on the franchise in October.
Thirty-six out of 127 trains have needed fixing, with staff doing 1,000 hours of overtime, rail chiefs said.
TfW said after weeks of problems it began operating a full service from Monday.
"After a number of difficult and challenging weeks with so many of our fleet damaged we are pleased to have returned to a full service today," said Colin Lea, TfW's customer experience director.
Daily traveller Owen Pugsley, 27, said he has been facing "constant delays" on services between Merthyr Tydfil and Cardiff.
"You get cancellations for things like it being too wet," he said.
"How can you not know it is going to be wet in Wales? I don't understand."
He added: "The trains are just appalling."
Engineers have been fitting "wheel-slide protection" technology to the existing fleet to make them "more resilient to autumn conditions", according to TfW chief executive James Price.
Passenger Jessie Howells, 22, took to social media to recount problems after her carriage lights failed, the train's toilets did not work and the conductor could not issue tickets as his machine was faulty on the 08:23 from Cwmbran earlier this month.
She said passengers collectively "cracked up laughing" after the conductor highlighted the catalogue of problems over the tannoy,
But commuter Gregg Johnston, 38, who travels from Newport to his job at Cardiff University, added: "It's clear we're getting a strict economy service and England is getting first class."
Anthony Smith, chief executive of the independent watchdog Transport Focus, said passengers wanted "reliable services on which they can get a seat and are good value for money".
He claimed passengers in Wales were "travelling on trains well past their sell-by date".
TfW chief executive James Price has promised an investment of £5bn to "transform rail services" over the next 15 years, with £800m for new trains and £194m in station improvements.
"While we have ambitious long term plans to transform our services, ongoing issues caused by recent storms, autumnal conditions and ageing trains have led to an unprecedented number of our trains being out of service recently causing disruption for our customers," he said.
"We recognise how important it is to give our customers the best experience as soon as possible, which is why we are investing £40m in our current fleet to fund a range of improvements including additional services as well as customer experience and accessibility improvements."

I emailed TfW Rail a week ago and have so far only recieved an automated response (on that date) saying "We do aim to respond to our customers within 10 working days, though this may extend to 20 working days currently" (!) I had emailed them about my concerns for other people getting Arriva turquoise paint on their hands and clothes from newly painted seat handles that hadn't been left to dry, and water leaking through bad window seals and from roofs / lights of trains...

6Gtraincrew · 19 Dec 2018

Well seen as this used to be the PRM thread, 150285 lives. It's back in the rails after a full PRM upgrade and corrosion work. Looking very smart, buts it's still green.

krus_aragon · 19 Dec 2018

6Gtraincrew said:
Well seen as this used to be the PRM thread, 150285 lives. It's back in the rails after a full PRM upgrade and corrosion work. Looking very smart, buts it's still green.

Interesting. I presume this is an intentional (marketing) choice not to put it in TfW livery.

Cardiff123 · 19 Dec 2018

6Gtraincrew said:
Well seen as this used to be the PRM thread, 150285 lives. It's back in the rails after a full PRM upgrade and corrosion work. Looking very smart, buts it's still green.

Where have you seen it and where is it working atm, in the north or south?

6Gtraincrew · 19 Dec 2018

Was spotted in Shrewsbury earlier, but don't think it's back in service yet

craigybagel · 19 Dec 2018

Cardiff123 said:
Where have you seen it and where is it working atm, in the north or south?

6Gtraincrew said:
Was spotted in Shrewsbury earlier, but don't think it's back in service yet

Not working in service today according to my sources......wouldn't surprise me if it's getting repainted somewhere different from where it was modded, if indeed the plan is to repaint it at all.

PHILIPE · 19 Dec 2018

6Gtraincrew said:
Was spotted in Shrewsbury earlier, but don't think it's back in service yet

Here it is, at Canton. Won't go back into service immediately as will have to have checks and any exams that may be required first

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O68032/2018/12/19/advanced

Cardiff123 · 19 Dec 2018

craigybagel said:
Not working in service today according to my sources......wouldn't surprise me if it's getting repainted somewhere different from where it was modded, if indeed the plan is to repaint it at all.

Well if it's now in the final ATW dark turquoise livery then it's already been repainted, if this photo from August is anything to go by:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37190-dalzell/44331932922/in/photostream/

anamyd · 19 Dec 2018

6Gtraincrew said:
Well seen as this used to be the PRM thread, 150285 lives. It's back in the rails after a full PRM upgrade and corrosion work. Looking very smart, buts it's still green.

Wow, the first PRM modified TfW 150! Anyone got any pics...? I have got a draft fleet list for a new "Transport for Wales Rail Services current fleet updates" thread, is that sort of thing allowed...?

Oscar46016 · 20 Dec 2018

anamyd said:
Wow, the first PRM modified TfW 150! Anyone got any pics...? I have got a draft fleet list for a new "Transport for Wales Rail Services current fleet updates" thread, is that sort of thing allowed...?

Post it and see.

I think there will be sufficient interest to make it worthwhile - failing that create a facebook page!

Oscar

Gareth Marston · 20 Dec 2018

This weeks Cambrian News reports Machynlleth Town Council concerns over reported "public disorder" and "police intervention" on TfW services at Birmingham New St. Short formed 2 car trains.

anamyd · 20 Dec 2018

Gareth Marston said:
This weeks Cambrian News reports Machynlleth Town Council concerns over reported "public disorder" and "police intervention" on TfW services at Birmingham New St. Short formed 2 car trains.

what page is that on please...?

anamyd · 20 Dec 2018

Oscar46016 said:
Post it and see.

I think there will be sufficient interest to make it worthwhile - failing that create a facebook page!

Oscar

OK, thanks

I don't use Facebook but should it be a problem I'll just do a blog post!

Gareth Marston · 21 Dec 2018

anamyd said:
what page is that on please...?

Here's the online version

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/arti...‘civil unrest’&sectionIs=News&searchyear=2018

Fears trains chaos could cause ‘civil unrest’
Wednesday, 19 December 2018 - Transport

by Antony Gedge - Aberystwyth, Machynlleth & Llanidloes reporter

[email protected]

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Printed and digital download photos available

Train services in Wales must be urgently improved to stop “civil unrest” from angry passengers left stranded, Machynlleth town councillors have warned.

Services across Wales have been plunged into chaos with services cancelled or delayed and the newly formed Transport for Wales admitting that there are weeks of disruption ahead with rolling stock unable to be used.

That has sparked concern from Machynlleth Town Council that commuters are being left struggling to get to work and that there could be disorder.

Cllr Simon Morpeth warned that police had been needed to quell problems at Birmingham New Street and in Wolverhampton on the service to Shrewsbury and then on to Machynlleth because of a lack of carriages.

He said that situation could worsen if services continue to be cancelled or there are inadequate services in place.

Cllr Michael Williams urged the town council to write to transport minister Ken Skates demanding urgent improvements to the service.

He said: “It’s important we try to resolve matters that are causing concerns at the moment.

“We were promised everything was going to work well, but it’s not working well.”

krus_aragon · 21 Dec 2018

Hm.

TfW said:
As of Monday 17th December, a full Transport for Wales services will operate on all routes

Cambrian News said:
Fears trains chaos could cause ‘civil unrest’
Wednesday, 19 December 2018
...
Services across Wales have been plunged into chaos with services cancelled or delayed and the newly formed Transport for Wales admitting that there are weeks of disruption ahead with rolling stock unable to be used.

Nothing like prompt, up to date reporting. The words 'stable', 'door' and 'horse' come to mind...

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