LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

samuelmorris · 21 Dec 2018

Yeah in both cases they're 1 short on 9-cars replacing the existing fleet, but there are several more 5-car units of both types that add additional capacity. If you make up for the one missing unit in both cases with a pair of 5s, then there would be 8 5-car 800s and 10 5-car 801s left over.

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43096 · 21 Dec 2018

samuelmorris said:
Yeah in both cases they're 1 short on 9-cars replacing the existing fleet, but there are several more 5-car units of both types that add additional capacity. If you make up for the one missing unit in both cases with a pair of 5s, then there would be 8 5-car 800s and 10 5-car 801s left over.

Two short on the HSTs - LNER have 15 HST sets.

samuelmorris · 21 Dec 2018

Is the 15th not a temporary hire in, or is that a permanent requirement now? I had thought that was to cover unavailability of the original fleet. That said, if GWR is anything to go by, fleet availability at LNER is certainly going to get a fair bit worse before it gets better. The MTIN targets to beat are quite a lot higher on LNER's side than GWR's.

cactustwirly · 21 Dec 2018

samuelmorris said:
Is the 15th not a temporary hire in, or is that a permanent requirement now? I had thought that was to cover unavailability of the original fleet. That said, if GWR is anything to go by, fleet availability at LNER is certainly going to get a fair bit worse before it gets better. The MTIN targets to beat are quite a lot higher on LNER's side than GWR's.

No it's permanently leased to LNER

samuelmorris · 21 Dec 2018

Fair enough, will teach me for using Wikipedia as reference then!

superkev · 21 Dec 2018

Any update on the interconnecting cable issue (stairway to heaven). Watching some YouTube's of Azumas on test I can't see any easy solution to make the safety Taliban happy.
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Master29 · 22 Dec 2018

LNER have contacted me saying the seating numbers are as follows. 5 car 800/801 254 standard and 45 first. 9 Car 800/801 510 standard and 101 first. Somewhat different from GWR but of course there is the buffet sections. More first class too. The VR clip makes them look very good and seemingly better looking than GWR, even though the woman is rather cheesy. That could be just effect however.

OmniCity999 · 22 Dec 2018

Master29 said:
LNER have contacted me saying the seating numbers are as follows. 5 car 800/801 254 standard and 45 first. 9 Car 800/801 510 standard and 101 first. Somewhat different from GWR but of course there is the buffet sections. More first class too. The VR clip makes them look very good and seemingly better looking than GWR, even though the woman is rather cheesy. That could be just effect however.

Just curious, what are the current seating numbers?

Master29 · 22 Dec 2018

I believe 112 first + 428 standard and 128 first + 412 standard I believe so the claim of 20% is about right although only for standard.

43074 · 23 Dec 2018

class26 said:
If only running as tens why not build them as tens without the cab duplication ?
I think the plan is that the Lincoln and Middlesborough trains will split at Newark and run as five`s to their respective destination

That is definitely not the plan, there will be limited splitting and joining in West Yorkshire (e.g. London to Harrogate and Skipton) but the Middlesbrough and Lincoln services were always planned to be separate with the extra Lincoln services starting the year before anyway.

samuelmorris · 23 Dec 2018

That presumably is with 5-car sets? At least to Lincoln, I'd have thought. Middlesbrough probably depends on the calling pattern as it'll be a mainline service like any other for most of its length.

cstewa38 · 23 Dec 2018

Seat Plans from a FOI request:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/requ...ch/html/3/Azuma 800 and 801 seat map.pdf.html

trebor79 · 23 Dec 2018

Buffet is tiny. Looks like it'll be no better selection than you would get from a trolley. At least people will know where it is and be able to go and get refreshments when they want to.
What a downgrade from the current rolling stock.

cactustwirly · 23 Dec 2018

trebor79 said:
Buffet is tiny. Looks like it'll be no better selection than you would get from a trolley. At least people will know where it is and be able to go and get refreshments when they want to.
What a downgrade from the current rolling stock.

Isn't that what the buffet sells anyway?

trebor79 · 23 Dec 2018

No, all sort of hot food at present (when it's in stock!

ainsworth74 · 23 Dec 2018

trebor79 said:
No, all sort of hot food at present (when it's in stock!

Good job there's a full size kitchen on the units as well then isn't it?

43074 · 23 Dec 2018

samuelmorris said:
That presumably is with 5-car sets? At least to Lincoln, I'd have thought. Middlesbrough probably depends on the calling pattern as it'll be a mainline service like any other for most of its length.

Yep the splitting and joining (which is relatively limited anyway) will be with 5-car sets, there was a track access application here a few years ago for the additional paths showing the Middlesbrough services running fast between Peterborough and York so I'd have thought 5-cars would be adequate for those too - I understand the service patterns and frequencies shown in the appendices of the document are correct, albeit with revised implementation dates.

w1bbl3 · 23 Dec 2018

trebor79 said:
No, all sort of hot food at present (when it's in stock!

But looking at the foodbar menu there's nothing currently that couldn't (and likely isn't) microwavable or cookable in a merrychef... which the small buffet should have plenty of room to nuke.

Master29 · 23 Dec 2018

trebor79 said:
Buffet is tiny. Looks like it'll be no better selection than you would get from a trolley. At least people will know where it is and be able to go and get refreshments when they want to.
What a downgrade from the current rolling stock.

It does on this diagram but on the promotion VR clip it looks a decent size and would look like a chasm to us GWR users. That could be deceptive of course.

OmniCity999 · 24 Dec 2018

Is there not a galley at one end if the train? Methinks orders would be placed at the cafe bar and delivered to seats, with maybe small things like toasties and sandwiches at the food bar.

Master29 · 24 Dec 2018

OmniCity999 said:
Is there not a galley at one end if the train? Methinks orders would be placed at the cafe bar and delivered to seats, with maybe small things like toasties and sandwiches at the food bar.

I think that is supposed to be the case re GWR.

14xxDave · 24 Dec 2018

Err...post 436 people!

superkev · 30 Dec 2018

Apologies if this info is already on the thread but how many 800s has LNER had delivered and how many would be needed to work the Leeds service assuming the varios safety Talibans accept the intercoach jumpers.
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Kieran1990 · 30 Dec 2018

superkev said:
Apologies if this info is already on the thread but how many 800s has LNER had delivered and how many would be needed to work the Leeds service assuming the varios safety Talibans accept the intercoach jumpers.
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If the KGX-LDS diagrams were entirely self contained- off-peak there would 11 required to fully convert over to IET. The peak I couldn’t tell as there are 3 extensions from Leeds each evening. Plus HST’s need to get to NL at night for maintaince etc..

In modern railways it states LNER have 10 units on driver training and accumulation run on ECML at present.

superkev · 30 Dec 2018

Kieran1990 said:
If the KGX-LDS diagrams were entirely self contained- off-peak there would 11 required to fully convert over to IET. The peak I couldn’t tell as there are 3 extensions from Leeds each evening. Plus HST’s need to get to NL at night for maintaince etc..

In modern railways it states LNER have 10 units on driver training and accumulation run on ECML at present.

Thankyou. Presumably those on mileage accumulation are not avajlable to LNER yet.
Have any EMUs been delivered or are they all Bi modes.
Is there a list somewhere.
Happy New year to all.
K

TT-ONR-NRN · 1 Jan 2019

Hey guys, I decided to create a new thread because it’s about the current LNER fleet not so much the Azumas

Last night I was speaking to the absolutely lovely train manager on my LNER service last night, and she told me that when the Azumas enter service, LNER will first use them to withdraw all of the Intercity 225 sets before then starting on the HSTs (the VP185s being first).

I’m not going to lie, this filled me with horror; however she explained this was because the 800s had more testing to do on diesel runs so the HSTs would need to be retained for North of Edinburgh services. This makes sense I guess, but I was so surprised (and dismayed) as the IC225s are so much more modern, with their sliding doors, electric power and modernised buffet, etc.

I don’t suppose anyone is aware of when LNER plan to withdraw the first Intercity 225 set? I am aware some may/will be shortened and then go to Blackpool and that some of the carriages will be assisting TfW, however these are my favourite trains (or 2nd after the 390) and I wish to make the absolute most of them that I can!

_toommm_ · 1 Jan 2019

I believe the plan was originally for one or two sets to enter into traffic towards the end of 2019 on Leeds runs (which seems fairly likely as most of the signalling problems they cause are North of York). Then they will gradually be rolled out further, but I suspect that may de delayed what with the aforementioned problems they're causing.

tbtc · 1 Jan 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
I’m not going to lie, this filled me with horror

Really?

I'd have thought that the obvious thing to do (after handing back the 90s) was to start withdrawing the trains restricted to wholly electrified routes, whilst keeping the "go anywhere" HSTs?

An HST can do any LNER diagram whilst a 225 obviously can't (and even if it can do an Edinburgh - London service then that may work later to Hull/ Harrogate/ Inverness/ Aberdeen etc later in the day).

Plus some of the 225 sets are already spoken for - Blackpool and Wales - so LNER don't have much flexibility left.

There was a plan to retain some shortened 225s but then there were plans to do lots of things under VTEC (part of which depended on additional paths/ power supplies), so I don't know if that's still valid.

spinba11 · 1 Jan 2019

_toommm_ said:
I believe the plan was originally for one or two sets to enter into traffic towards the end of 2019 on Leeds runs (which seems fairly likely as most of the signalling problems they cause are North of York). Then they will gradually be rolled out further, but I suspect that may de delayed what with the aforementioned problems they're causing.

Do you mean 2018? As that’s what I heard was going to happen until the cables became an issue.

ainsworth74 · 1 Jan 2019

spinba11 said:
Do you mean 2018? As that’s what I heard was going to happen until the cables became an issue.

They delay was a mixture of the cables but more importantly the signal interference has been the factor that put paid to the introduction as expected.

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