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Trivia - Obsolete Railway Terms still used

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alxndr

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Network Rail is working hard to get rid of the term "points", they are now "switches and crossings - the movable sections of track that guide trains from one track to another" in every press piece about track work.

Are they? "Points" is still very much used internally for the S&T side of things, for example, the maintenance task of "points fittings". I think of "Switches and Crossings" as something subtly different and more p-way related.
 
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Other obsolete terms I often hear people use are things like "Virgin Cross Country" and even "British Rail".

Post your own examples here!

British Rail lives on down the London Underground. Seen at somewhere like Marylebone.British Rail.jpg
 

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Do drivers and guards still refer to signals as 'boards' or 'sticks'?
as a coulsdon and redhill driver all be it 25 years ago boards or sticks meant nothing at all not in the vocabulary
dummy/ground signal /shunt for subsiduarys otherwise just signals
 

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Do drivers and guards still refer to signals as 'boards' or 'sticks'?
In Midlandland they were always "pegs", although a distant signal was always a "back-un". Hround shunt signals were (and still are) known as "dollys", although head north and it became a "Tommy Dodd".
 

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Departure boad can still often be heard, where the vast majority of train railway stations ( <( ) use departure screens.
 

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Not entirely - steam trains still use many level crossings (main line and preserved) and the silhouette is instantly recognisable.

That is the sign for a level crossing without gates or barriers.
The normal sign for a gate or barrier level crossing (image of a gate) is easily recognisable despite there being a lot less gated crossings around these days. When AHB's were first introduced there was a road sign specifically for them, depicting an image of them from above. I believe it soon fell into disuse due to confusion from motorists, to replaced by the more familiar gate sign.
 

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Very rare but Platelayer in reference to permanent way track workers. Heard it used in the recording of the radio call in the Egmonton near miss a couple of years ago. I do wonder if it is more common in the north of England or old grouping LNER routes than grouping GWR or SR?

Video here if anyone hasn't heard it from the thread at the time.
Hancocks Half Hour fans will be smiling at Platelayer.
 

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Train Manager instead of Guard
I call them all Train Managers now.
Never seen a "Conductor" before, yet regularly see "Senior Conductors". In order to be "senior", there must be another level of workers under, surely?


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Isn't that still valid, meaning either "peak" or "come back another day"?
People who say "period return" is an obsolete term in my view.


To hear an undergroud driver say "sticks off" is quite common, anyone know when the last stick existed on the Underground.
That's a good one.
I've often thought "half"... meaning, half what? Half a human?
Junior is another term used.
Never really saw what was wrong with "child" myself.
 

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I think the King James Bible and the Book of Common Prayer could shew you plenty more examples.

I like it! I am that poster (there may be others) and claim my £5.
Very good. I think that confirms it's an archaic usage, publishing dates being 1611 and 1549 respectively.
Your cheque will be in the post once you've shewed some ID.
 

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The use of the variant spelling "shew" for "show" - I've only ever seen it in a railway context, and there's someone on one of the forums who insists on using it in their posts. Makes you pause every time.

Until recently, this sign greeted foot passengers at Seacombe Ferry, wanting to cross to Liverpool.

Shewn002.jpg

Possibly a remnant from the railway era, but the line closed to passengers way back in 1960 - more details here.
 

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Isn't that still valid, meaning either "peak" or "come back another day"?
People who say "period return" is an obsolete term in my view.
The term period return is used to describe a ticket whose return portion is valid for a month. That could be any of a wide number of different ticket types, e.g. Anytime Return, Off-Peak Return, Super Off-Peak Return, Anytime Short Return. The term "open return" is still in fairly widespread use to mean this, and still has "official" usage in several booking sites to refer to when the return portion is not booked for a specific day or itinerary (even though, confusingly, this may still result in being sold a kind of Day Return!). This is despite the term "open return" having a specific and deprecated meaning, the old form of what is now an Anytime Return.
 

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Trains are still stabled, like horses were.
Network Rail is working hard to get rid of the term "points", they are now "switches and crossings - the movable sections of track that guide trains from one track to another" in every press piece about track work.
There are many, many differences between English and American railway/road terms, like cancelled (annulled), sleeper (tie) etc etc, and gradually the English terms are losing ground.
My particular beef is when the BBC uses the term "subway" instead of "underground" or "metro" system, when they are not talking about the USA - eg in Tokyo or Singapore.
To me you walk through a subway, not get on a train.
Glasgow Subway...
 

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Signalman is another that's fallen out of favour officially too.
 

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Use of the word "metals" ( as in LNER metals) to describe ownership drives me mad. Pointless. Do the LNER not own the wooden or concrete sleepers the "metals" rest on?
 
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To hear an underground driver say "sticks off" is quite common, anyone know when the last stick existed on the Underground.
Was it on the Epping-Ongar line, inherited from BR?

Glasgow Subway...
By no means always known as the Subway, even officially. It has been referred to for a long time as the Underground as well, sometimes styled the old London way and capitalised as UndergrounD on official signage etc. Until recently they didn't seem to have a particular corporate style, the various signs were all done differently.
 

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Railtrack still gets a mention from time to time.

As does "service" on the South Fylde and Ormskirk lines, but that's just me be being bitchy.

I don't like the phrase "switches and crossings". Too ambigious, I'll take "points" every day.
 

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By no means always known as the Subway, even officially. It has been referred to for a long time as the Underground as well, sometimes styled the old London way and capitalised as UndergrounD on official signage etc. Until recently they didn't seem to have a particular corporate style, the various signs were all done differently.
Glasgow District Subway or Glasgow Subway Railway 1896-1936
Glasgow Underground 1936-2003
Glasgow Subway 2003-
 

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Are they? "Points" is still very much used internally for the S&T side of things, for example, the maintenance task of "points fittings". I think of "Switches and Crossings" as something subtly different and more p-way related.
A Point=2 switches (the point blades) and a crossing. But of course there are other crossings, for example as used for diamond crossings, where there are no point blades - unles it's a switched crossing! Is it an attempt by NR to try and make clearer to the public the complexity of trackwork in some way?
 
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Christ this makes me feel old

One for the traincrew, "grab your traps", meaning take all your bags etc
 

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Railtrack still gets a mention from time to time.

I don't like the phrase "switches and crossings". Too ambigious, I'll take "points" every day.
Well there is still a Railtrack sign on the bridge just before Chippenham station.

Luckily points is still being used but when testing takes place we have to refer to which switch (rail) is closed.

Another one that I can't stop saying is London Midland instead of LNWR and WMR. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 
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