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which countries still produce these, the ones I know are Latvia, Estonia, Czech Republic and Slovakia (in three booklets now), any others?
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All line, hard copy timetables, which countries ?
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The following countries still provide full printed timetable books:
Belarus
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Macedonia
Moldova
Montenegro
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Ukraine
Many of these (but not all) are also available to download online as a full PDF document.
Denmark and Hungary and Italy all still produce PDF versions of their full complete timetable book but i believe that they have all stopped producing the printed versions.
An independent private company produces one for the Netherlands each year.
Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania do still publish full timetable books as well but they can be very difficult to get hold of. Every time i have been in these three countries i have mainly just seen individual timetable leaflets (just like we have in the UK) available to passengers. If you ask in certain ticket offices they can sometimes find you a copy though.
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Belarus
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Macedonia
Moldova
Montenegro
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Ukraine
Many of these (but not all) are also available to download online as a full PDF document.
Denmark and Hungary and Italy all still produce PDF versions of their full complete timetable book but i believe that they have all stopped producing the printed versions.
An independent private company produces one for the Netherlands each year.
Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania do still publish full timetable books as well but they can be very difficult to get hold of. Every time i have been in these three countries i have mainly just seen individual timetable leaflets (just like we have in the UK) available to passengers. If you ask in certain ticket offices they can sometimes find you a copy though.
Hope this helps.
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Isle of Man.
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True but the Isle Of Man is not a country. Its part of the UK. Its basically an autonomous province of the UK. So really it is no different to the bus and train timetable books that some county councils produce for their entire area.
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No, the Isle of Man is independent and is not part of the UK.
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Are you sure? So when did they gain independence from the UK? If you look on lists of all countries you will never find the Isle Of Man listed. People who live there hold British citizenship and British passports. They have no representation at the United Nations or anywhere else. I know they have a high level of autonomy but i thought that they were still part of the UK. Where did you get this information from? I am quite confused as to how they can be considered to be an independent country?
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The Isle of Man hasn't gained independence from the UK, as it was never part of the UK.
The Title and Position of Lord Of Mann was purchased by the British Crown in 1765, meaning the British sovereign is also the Head of State of the Isle Of Man. As a result, constitutionally the Lord Of Mann is responsible for the defence and international representation of Mann. Due to this constitutional position, Mann isn't an independent member of the UN. It is however recognised by the UN, and has it's own country code.
As Mann issues passports thought the authority of the Lord Of Mann, Citizenship is therefore British, however, there is separate Isle Of Man Nationality Status, and of course Nationals from other countries, including the UK, do not have the right to work in the Isle Of Man.
Officially the Isle of Man is a Crown Dependency. No relation, or member, of the UK.
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Very interesting. Many thanks for the info.
Why doesn't it appear on lists of countries though? For example if you look on lists on countries online you will never find it listed?
I have just quickly been reading up a bit about it on Wikipedia and it says the following:
"The United Kingdom is responsible for the island's defence and ultimately for good governance, and for representing the island in international forums, while the island's own parliament and government have competence over all domestic matters."
So the UK definitely seems to have a lot of involvement in the Isle Of Man. It appears that the Isle Of Man only control their domestic matters but not their international matters. To me it doesn't sound like it has full complete independence yet. It sounds like some sort of hybrid partial independence.
Why doesn't it appear on lists of countries though? For example if you look on lists on countries online you will never find it listed?
I have just quickly been reading up a bit about it on Wikipedia and it says the following:
"The United Kingdom is responsible for the island's defence and ultimately for good governance, and for representing the island in international forums, while the island's own parliament and government have competence over all domestic matters."
So the UK definitely seems to have a lot of involvement in the Isle Of Man. It appears that the Isle Of Man only control their domestic matters but not their international matters. To me it doesn't sound like it has full complete independence yet. It sounds like some sort of hybrid partial independence.
It is on some lists, eg http://statoids.com/wab.html and https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/ . Part of the problem is that 'country', like its near synonyms 'nation' and 'state' (and many other terms including 'train' and 'railway') don't have a clear, universal and consistent definition, although we think we know what they mean. So there are always is it? isn't it? type questions - and list compilers often have an agenda that affects what they will include - or not.
As already stated, it's a British Crown Dependency.
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Ah thats great thanks, yes Estonia and latvia produce them I was over last year, not many trains though, these are only leaflets
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The UK involvement is due to the current Lord Of Mann being the British Crown, like I said. The Lord Of Mann has constitutional responsibility for defence and foreign affairs. As it is HM Armed Forces, they therefore provide defence, and as it is HM Government they are therefore required to provide international representation. However, the Government can act on its own internationally. It has signed many TIE Agreements with other countries for example.
Etr221 is absolutely correct, it depends on your definition of country. Are England and Scotland countries? I'd say no, and that Mann is more of a country than them. What Mann isn't, is a sovereign state, and that is due to the nature in which Sovereignity was purchased from the old Lord Of Mann in 1765. Mann could be described as a Suzerain State, with a lot of power.
The current Czech timetable lists CD operated routes only, apparently, which leaves significant holes, causing considerable aggro. Been reported that next year the infrastructure provider SZDC (?) will produce it (their PDFs are comprehensive anyway).
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