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I've crossed a fair number of Schengen borders by public transport and the only one where my ID was (very superficially) checked was on the IC DMU from Hamburg to Aarhus at Padborg station. On the EC Milano to Basel, border guards came onto the train but didn't check ID or passport, the same also on the EN from Vienna to Düsseldorf. Germany to Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic or Poland as well as Belgium to Netherlands, Austria to Slovakia, Czech Republic to Slovakia to Hungary and Hungary to Austria no checks at all.
 
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I've crossed a fair number of Schengen borders by public transport and the only one where my ID was (very superficially) checked was on the IC DMU from Hamburg to Aarhus at Padborg station. On the EC Milano to Basel, border guards came onto the train but didn't check ID or passport, the same also on the EN from Vienna to Düsseldorf. Germany to Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic or Poland as well as Belgium to Netherlands, Austria to Slovakia, Czech Republic to Slovakia to Hungary and Hungary to Austria no checks at all.

I was checked years ago at Puttgarden (or rather, attempted to be checked - I was actually getting off there to go back having just been for a ride on the line and on an IC3) - the customs officer couldn't believe I was going to get off (wasn't carrying my passport, for ID within Germany I used to carry my residency permit instead as it was more wallet-sized) and watched quite carefully when I did. I bet he genuinely thought I was trying it on.
 

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Regarding passport stamping, when I crossed from Croatia to Bosnia we were asked if we would like our passport stamped as a memento, Australia was slapdash and New Zealand didn't even bother stamping my passport on departure or check when I arrived. South America were nails on passport stamps in and out though, very nice stamps they are to. Ha ha.

I don't think it is wise, even before we leave the EU, to travel around without official ID such as a passport, even if border crossings are pretty straightforward people in many European countries are expected to carry ID in their own country and Brits abroad are expected to do the same .

Just booked some rail tickets for some journeys entirely within France and it states quite clearly that you should carry ID with your tickets.
 

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They even doubted at first that UK citizens were still entitled to treatment under EHIC (they are - for now).

Actually only UK (and EU) residents are entitled to treatment under EHIC, except for British citizens living in Hungary who would use whatever they have in Hungary. British citizens living in the (rest of the) EU are supposed to use their EHICs rather than NHS in the UK, and British citizens living outside the EU are supposed to pay for the NHS.

Regarding passport stamping, when I crossed from Croatia to Bosnia we were asked if we would like our passport stamped as a memento, Australia was slapdash and New Zealand didn't even bother stamping my passport on departure or check when I arrived. South America were nails on passport stamps in and out though, very nice stamps they are to. Ha ha.

Australia and NZ haven't stamped passports in a long time, nor do they need to check when you arrived as it's all electronic.
 

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Personal experiences:

Local trains between Poland and neighbouring Schengen countries are rarely checked. I've made quite a few journeys between stations such as Zgorzelec and Gorlitz, or the very odd Jeseník-Krnov line in the Czech Republic that transits Poland and stops at Głuchołazy-Głowne (but not at the train station in the town of Głuchołazy itself, Głuchołazy-Miasto!) and I've never seen any controls. On the other hand, long distance trains attract quite a bit of attention - for instance, the Berlin-Warszawa-Express normally has border guards looking through the train. Even with the migrant crisis, attention was focused on cars and long distance transport, not local transport.

Road crossings are often monitored, though random controls are made. It depends on the location as to how these controls look - customs officers tend to be more present in places such as Cieszyn-Cesky Tesin because of Poles buying booze in Cesky Tesin, but on the other hand, buses from the Czech Republic towards Ukraine tend to be stopped at crossings such as at Kudowa-Słone/Nachod.

I am interested in how they managed to patrol borders such as these before Schengen (especially in the rural areas where all sorts of small roads go across)

I'll talk about the Polish-Czech border because it's the one that I know best:

Before 1990/1, the border was heavily guarded. It wasn't comparable to the Iron Curtain, but barbed wire fences existed in many places, and there were considerable resources dedicated to making sure that it wasn't crossed illegally. There were small border crossings intended for use by those with passes, but in general, it would have been difficult to cross the border illegally, even in areas where the border cut across villages.

In 1990/1991, things were considerably loosened up. Many tourist border crossings were created, the barbed wire fences were removed in some places (but not all!), and many crossings were opened to most Europeans and a few others (especially Americans/Australians/Japanese citizens). At this point, because of these tourist crossings, controls tended to be random rather than systematic. Vehicle access was still very difficult as barriers were in place, but despite these crossings having official opening hours (often 06:00-20:00 in summer and 08:00-18:00 in winter), little attention was paid to people crossing illegally outside of those times if they were local and not smuggling.

At this time, many informal crossings opened up. While agreement was often lacking at an inter-governmental level, there was often quiet agreements that such crossings could be used, especially if there were services on one side of the border and not on the other (for example, a pub or a shop).

When Poland and the Czech Republic joined the EU, things were even more informal. Many tourist crossings simply stopped being controlled, or were controlled only at certain times (such as on Saturdays), while most people would come and go freely. I crossed many tourist crossings illegally at night and without consequence, and the only time I was ever stopped resulted in a few questions about where I was going, but nothing else.

A good example is here: this crossing was fenced and closed off before Poland and the Czech Republic joined the Schengen agreement. The only access to the Czech pub shown here was through this border crossing, and there was also a shop on the Czech side that was notorious for selling large amounts of non-vodka spirits and chocolate to Polish travellers, both of which were cheaper in the Czech Republic before both countries joined the EU. The crossing itself was rarely manned after 2004, but even before, it often depended on how busy the main crossing was in Kudowa-Słone/Nachod.

Main crossings were always guarded, and it was a bad idea to drive across the border, but people on foot/by bike/on skis were rarely bothered. I remember missing the closing time of the border one year in Czermna because I got drunk in the pub there, and this was before the EU came. I asked the landlord of the pub what to do, and he just laughed, because the border had no practical significance to locals.
 

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Basel is certainly an interesting one. It is basically a city in three countries (France and Germany and Switzerland) and the suburban trains and city trams and local buses all operate in all three countries. Bratislava is another similar example to Basel and Salzburg (there are probably others as well). With the Schengen Area you barely even notice when you cross a border in Europe these days.

Basel certainly was an interesting one pre-Schengen. (Was living in Strasbourg at the time, and regularly had to head down that way.) You had a section of Basel HB that was on French territory, names "Bale-Voyageurs" or "Bale-SNCF" depending on signage. You had to go through immigration and customs to enter/exit (and it was only TER-Alsace services in those days, no through trains). It contained what might be the most officious immigration officers in the whole of Western Europe. Similarly, Basel-Bad was a German exclave, and pretty much the terminus. It did have ICE services.

To get to EuroAirport from Strasbourg, you pretty much had to go into Basel, then take the bus out (there was almost no connection from the French side). This involved going down the rather sinister "customs road" - a high-fenced access road deemed Swiss territory, surrounded by France, to get to the Swiss side of the terminal. If you were flying from the French side of the terminal (split down the middle), you'd have to go through immigration and customs to check in.

(The airport had a number of added confusions. I remember once finding the landside toilets were out of use on the French side, so having to go through immigration to use the Swiss ones - no bad thing, all in... The other confusion was that you had services from MLH to Paris as well as from BSL to Paris. It's the same airport. The former was a domestic flight, the latter international. Very confusing.)

There were a lot of pre-immigration stations in this era: Geneve Cornavin had a little SNCF terminal for the TGV. Bratislava-Petrzalka had an Austrian immigration point (if you wanted Bratislaval hl st, you got a little railcar from Wien Sud to the border, clambered down, waited for the men in peaked caps to show up and do their thing, then clambered up onto its older relative, the Slovak railcar that would take you into Bratislava.).

Brenner is a station right on the border - you can walk along the platform from country to country. Ventimiglia used to have French immigration (and has gone right back to that now, in a less ordered fashion. Irun did the same job in Spain (although you also had the gauge/power change there).

Now, as for Friedrichstrasse...
 

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I wonder as UK citizen you forgot your passport if you were going to Malmo for the day , do they send you back?

The more awkward situation, of course, is if you're going to Copenhagen for the day (Denmark does no checks on this route) and forget your passport, then try to get back into Sweden.

I wonder what will happen if they build the trans-Oresund metro.

(There is another international metro, incidentally, the Metro Donostialdea, but I don't think there's much activity on that border...)

I've had a similar situation on the Pont de l'Europe. When living in Strasbourg (pre-Schengen), I used to cycle over to Germany - some things were cheaper (or just available when they weren't in France) over there - quite regularly, and usually didn't take my passport with me. Nobody ever bothered. Until this one time, of course, where I was roundly shouted at by a German official while trying to exit Germany to get back into France. I had to lock up my bike at Kehl station and take the CTS bus (a Strasbourg local bus) back to France. They never checked those. (This was before the tram extension too...)
 

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The other confusion was that you had services from MLH to Paris as well as from BSL to Paris. It's the same airport. The former was a domestic flight, the latter international. Very confusing.)

This was so that Air France could offer domestic flights. The madness continues to this day - I've just looked and there's a BSL-CDG flight at 6:15am, while 20 minutes later, there's a MSL-ORY flight. I'm guessing the earlier flight exists to provide onward connections from CDG, while the later one is intended for passengers going directly to Paris. Both are Air France flights, but the first is operated by HOP! and the second by Cityjet.

[/quote]Bratislava-Petrzalka had an Austrian immigration point (if you wanted Bratislaval hl st, you got a little railcar from Wien Sud to the border, clambered down, waited for the men in peaked caps to show up and do their thing, then clambered up onto its older relative, the Slovak railcar that would take you into Bratislava.).[/quote][/QUOTE]

Petrzalka is a very strange situation. I've done a lot of research into it, and it seems that it was intended to become the main gateway for trains from Vienna. That's why the station was built with a permanent border crossing (though only ever used by Slovakia - Austrians preferred to control people on the platform or on the train) within the station, and why the station appears to be considerably overbuilt for the little traffic that uses it. However, Slovakia never really committed seriously to it - they took years to actually open the crossing, and when it opened, it became apparent that travellers didn't want to use the windswept and (then) empty Petrzalka location over Bratislava hl. st, not least because the connections between Petrzalka and the Old Town were awful.

Interestingly, I was involved in a small project that involved Petrzalka station here. There was a proposal to take over the large and unused area within the station that formerly held the Slovak border controls as well as an adjacent restaurant, turning it into a tourist attraction. We received a positive response from ŽSR (the infrastructure owners) and from ZSSK, both of whom were keen on seeing Petrzalka being used. The OBB were also very keen, but we received a negative decision from the Slovak border guard, as they wanted to keep the facility in case border controls returned. We proposed that a clause could be inserted into the contract so that we would build an extension onto Petrzalka station at our expense if border controls were permanently restored, but they refused as it was deemed to be a strategic asset. Our second proposal was that we would take responsibility for implementing the required infrastructure on Platform 1 immediately in the event of border controls, such as using portacabins, but they still refused.

It was a pity, as our estimates were that we could attract at least 50,000 new passengers from Austria by train yearly if the attraction was approved.
 

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Last September Thello trains from Ventimiglia to France were stopped at the first station. Non European looking passengers without valid passport were taken rather roughly off the train.
 

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Giurgiu-Ruse. In my case it was a 2-car Romanian Class 96 Desiro. I understand that loco-hauled sets are used for longer distance cross-border trains (this service was Ruse -> Bucharest, which I believe is 3 per-day or less) and that those trains have different passport arrangements.

In the summer, the mid-day DMU from Bucharest turns into a loco-hauled train which runs through to Sofia, and also carries Turkish sleeper coaches to Istanbul.
Passports get checked as you describe at Giurgiu, and again at Ruse where there is a loco-change to a Bulgarian electric (with maybe an ex-BR 87 hanging about in the freight yards nearby!).
The reverse train arrives at Ruse while the southbound is still there, using the Romanian diesel loco to go back to Bucharest.
In winter, there are a couple of MUs to/from Ruse instead in much the same times, so the Bucharest-Sofia connection is maintained year-round.

In Bratislava, since the December timetable change there has been a through train from Vienna Hbf to Košice, calling at Bratislava hl.s. but seemingly travelling via Brück an der Leitha and Petržalka to get there.
You'd think it would travel via Marchegg, but maybe it's because this route is in the process of being electrified.
I think this is the first through train from Vienna via Bratislava for some years.
Otherwise it's just the hourly regional shuttles via the two routes.
 

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Pre-Schengen you used to give the sleeping car attendant your passport and it would be processed by them overnight without even waking you up.

My family and I did the Vienna - Hamburg NightJet last month and the attendant did this for us.

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In Bratislava, since the December timetable change there has been a through train from Vienna Hbf to Košice, calling at Bratislava hl.s. but seemingly travelling via Brück an der Leitha and Petržalka to get there.
You'd think it would travel via Marchegg, but maybe it's because this route is in the process of being electrified.
I think this is the first through train from Vienna via Bratislava for some years.
Otherwise it's just the hourly regional shuttles via the two routes.
The train runs via Brück an der Leitha and Petržalka because it is booked for electric traction - a ZSSK Vectron to be precise. Obviously it changes direction at Bratislava hl.s. so it should be a ZSSK Gorilla that drops on the other end.
 

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Giurgiu-Ruse. In my case it was a 2-car Romanian Class 96 Desiro. I understand that loco-hauled sets are used for longer distance cross-border trains (this service was Ruse -> Bucharest, which I believe is 3 per-day or less) and that those trains have different passport arrangements.

Aahhh, thank you. I was convinced that the Bucharest Instanbul was the only train to cross the border there.
 

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Pre-Schengen you used to give the sleeping car attendant your passport and it would be processed by them overnight without even waking you up.

Depends where you were travelling. I can remember being woken up at the Spanish border travelling from Porto to Irun and also when travelling from Koln to West Berlin. In the latter case, the West German border police were followed by American soldiers who were only interested in any American nationals.
 

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In the summer, the mid-day DMU from Bucharest turns into a loco-hauled train which runs through to Sofia, and also carries Turkish sleeper coaches to Istanbul.
Passports get checked as you describe at Giurgiu, and again at Ruse where there is a loco-change to a Bulgarian electric (with maybe an ex-BR 87 hanging about in the freight yards nearby!).
The reverse train arrives at Ruse while the southbound is still there, using the Romanian diesel loco to go back to Bucharest.
In winter, there are a couple of MUs to/from Ruse instead in much the same times, so the Bucharest-Sofia connection is maintained year-round.

In Bratislava, since the December timetable change there has been a through train from Vienna Hbf to Košice, calling at Bratislava hl.s. but seemingly travelling via Brück an der Leitha and Petržalka to get there.
You'd think it would travel via Marchegg, but maybe it's because this route is in the process of being electrified.
I think this is the first through train from Vienna via Bratislava for some years.
Otherwise it's just the hourly regional shuttles via the two routes.

Back in Feb 2009 took the EC from Bratislava to Vienna which came from Kosice , was border control on it
 

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Depends where you were travelling. I can remember being woken up at the Spanish border travelling from Porto to Irun and also when travelling from Koln to West Berlin. In the latter case, the West German border police were followed by American soldiers who were only interested in any American nationals.

Oh yes, I had a few rough, unsociable hour border crossings in the early 90s. Krakow to Budapest was a singular joy, as Slovakia was newly independent and very keen on asserting its authoritah. It was a full-on, 1am peaked caps and dogs, in wasteland on the border affair (you had to step down from the train while the carriage was searched). And then all over again to leave the country a couple of hours later.

A "friend" I was travelling with managed to anger one of the border guards. His passport had a non-essential page defaced and he told the border guard that they had let him into Poland OK, so he could just do the same. Big mistake. Our passports disappeared for an eternity, and that was the trigger for the "step outside while we bring the dogs in" approach.

Still not as bad as crossing from Pakistan to India, though.
 

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I've crossed the Dutch/German border at Bad Bentheim four times. In case you aren't aware, this is where the Amsterdam to Berlin service stops for 15 minutes while they change the loco from a Dutch to a German one (or vice versa if going the opposite direction).

First time I did this route, going west to east about 6 years ago, there was a German "Polizie" van already waiting at the station as the train pulled in. Out popped 4 cops and 2 of them boarded the rear carriage and proceeded to walk through the full length of the train while the other 2 cops should stood on the platform looking bored.

Whether or not this was routine or they had had a tip off and were looking for someone, or they had nothing else to do I don't know; because the 2 cops who boarded the train got off after going through every carriage and the train departed. I passed through Bad Bentheim on three other occasions going east to west in the proceeding years and there were no cops on either occasion.

I've also caught the train from Warsaw to Berlin and we sailed through the Polish/German border with no cops in sight.

But one time when I caught a train from Prague to Dresden I did a bit of research on a travel forum and was made aware that German cops often board the train at Bad Schandau which is close to the Czech/German border. And on cue, as we pulled into Bad Schandau, a couple of German cops were already waiting on the platform and boarded the train. I was sat in a compartment with two elderly American tourists. The cops walked past, had a quick look into our compartment, then carried on.

The previous year I had caught the overnight sleeper from Prague to Amsterdam. The journey took about 12 hours for which I was awake for most of the time (too excited to sleep!) and the only knock on my door was at about 8am when my breakfast was delivered to my cabin. We stopped at Dresden, Berlin, Wolfsburg, Hanover, Osnabruck (I think), Bad Bentheim, Deventer (I think) and Utrecht. The only cop I saw was at Dresden - he told me off for smoking on the platform (whoops!).

Funnily enough, I've been stopped twice driving across the Belgian/French border at the same place (think it's on the A16 close to Dunkirk), most recently in 2010. On both occasions we had our passports checked and asked where we had been and where we were going. First occasion they actually got a drug sniffing dog go over the car! All French, Belgian, Dutch etc cars sailed through. It appeared that they were only stopping cars with a GB license plate.
 

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I've seen a report somewhere for the EU commission about cross-border administration in the EU, and as far as railways are concerned, it said that the main obstacle to improved transit is the reluctance of the national railway operators to change their procedures.
These can be technical (engine changes, different OHL and signalling systems, safety rules etc), but are mostly people-related.
ie the staff (railway and frontier) refusing to change long-established practices (with job losses usually involved).
This was before the migrant crisis, when the trend was still towards more open borders and quicker transits.
Things seem to have reversed now, with the national agencies choosing to re-impose their authority, despite Schengen and "free movement".
Of course, the UK is no different, with border procedures (in this case frontier rather than railway) getting ever tighter as we "take back control".
In Dover, the local MP "wants the jobs back" for the customs and immigration lines we are about to re-establish with the EU.
Next thing will be bringing duty free back. ;)
 

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Yes, maximum 4 litres of wine and 1 litre of spirits, just like any other non-EU country. End of the booze cruise.

And the return of those lovely customs inspection queues at Dover. How I don't miss them.

(Although you did get the great entertainment of people getting caught smuggling gigantic amounts of wine. I remember seeing a 2CV having dozens of bottles pulled out of it, secreted all around the car. How the thing made it to Calais was a thing of wonder in itself...)
 

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Yes, maximum 4 litres of wine and 1 litre of spirits, just like any other non-EU country. End of the booze cruise.

Is anyone still doing that? With the weak pound and more expensive ferries/Chunnel it doesn't really make a lot of sense any more. Not dissimilarly, importing new cars also now no longer makes financial sense.
 

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On my 2015 Interrail we travellled from Amsterdam all the way to the Slovenian border without a passport check. We travelled via Belgium, Lux, France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria and then into Slovenia. After this, lengthy checks were made between Slovenia and Croatia, Croatia and Hungary, Hungary and Serbia and Serbia to Bulgaria.

No issues at any point though, they were most interested in non EU passports. The Hungary to Serbia border at Kelebia/Subotica was the most lengthy as it was the start of the migrant crisis.
 

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The border at Dobova between Slovenia /Croatia is lot quicker now as its done at the same place.
EU/Non EU you will get Customs after passport checks .More interested in looking behind the trains fittings , cigs i guess
 

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Is anyone still doing that? With the weak pound and more expensive ferries/Chunnel it doesn't really make a lot of sense any more. Not dissimilarly, importing new cars also now no longer makes financial sense.

Think Duty Free stopped in 99 . Remember people going to these booze warehouses and stocking up , are they still busy? What are the savings now?
 

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Actually only UK (and EU) residents are entitled to treatment under EHIC, except for British citizens living in Hungary who would use whatever they have in Hungary. British citizens living in the (rest of the) EU are supposed to use their EHICs rather than NHS in the UK, and British citizens living outside the EU are supposed to pay for the NHS.



Australia and NZ haven't stamped passports in a long time, nor do they need to check when you arrived as it's all electronic.

Last time Australia stamped in but not out..
 

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Think Duty Free stopped in 99 . Remember people going to these booze warehouses and stocking up , are they still busy? What are the savings now?

Probably very little now the pound is so weak, but when it was stronger (about EUR 1.50 to the £) it was still worth it because alcohol duty in France is much lower. The warehouses have little to do with actual duty-free because the quantities allowed would not be enough.
 
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