New tube for London 'inspiro' capacity

Ethano92 · 18 Jan 2019

Please direct me if already been spoken about. In the January 2019 copy of modern railways page 10, there is a sentence about the new Piccadilly line tube trains that I'm rather confused about

Each will have a capacity of 1,433 passengers along with wider doors and fully air-conditioned carriges and in-train passenger passenger information systems to help passengers plan onward journeys.

Considering the current 73stock have a capacity of 684 passengers, where did this figure more comparable to a 12 car class 700 come from? Is it a typo or am I reading it wrong?

Also keen to see how TFL are going to keep the 73s up until 2024 and the 72s up likely into the 2030s as unlike the GOBLIN, these simply can't close.

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Bletchleyite · 18 Jan 2019

Probably a typo - there isn't enough physical space for that many people!

TommyL4 · 19 Jan 2019

Seems weird. Even S8 stocks can hold only 1000 passengers.

philthetube · 19 Jan 2019

I can't seem them reaching 1000

I did find this figure on line

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/requ.../4/Rolling stock Data Sheet 2nd Edition 1.pdf

Theoretical crush standing capacity (7 customers per m2)c 798

Apparently you gain 10% by not having connecting doors.

I would guess that actual capacity of on S8 is nearer 1500, watch them departing wembley after a match.

Ethano92 · 19 Jan 2019

philthetube said:
I can't seem them reaching 1000

I did find this figure on line

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/66598/response/170252/attach/4/Rolling stock Data Sheet 2nd Edition 1.pdf

Theoretical crush standing capacity (7 customers per m2)c 798

Apparently you gain 10% by not having connecting doors.

I would guess that actual capacity of on S8 is nearer 1500, watch them departing wembley after a match.

Thanks for the PDF, will certainly read through it.

Not so much on the tube since there are single doors at the edges but on national rail being walkthrough does certainly seem to make people want to move down more. Or at least that's what I've seen with the 455s Vs 707s on SWR.

And as for all comments I agree it's probably a typo but now I'm interested as to whether it got confused with another upcoming new train.

Dstock7080 · 20 Jan 2019

Ethano92 said:
Not so much on the tube since there are single doors at the edges but on national rail being walkthrough does certainly seem to make people want to move down more.

The new trains will will only have large double-doors, not single-leaf and have shorter, slightly wider cars.

already discussed:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ild-94-trains-for-the-piccadilly-line.165868/

Nym · 29 Jan 2019

philthetube said:
I can't seem them reaching 1000

I did find this figure on line

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/66598/response/170252/attach/4/Rolling stock Data Sheet 2nd Edition 1.pdf

Theoretical crush standing capacity (7 customers per m2)c 798

Apparently you gain 10% by not having connecting doors.

I would guess that actual capacity of on S8 is nearer 1500, watch them departing wembley after a match.

There was some testing done on the 455s a while back leaving Twickenham, and the theoretical 6 pax/sq m is very much exceeded by what was measured, at around 14pax/sq m (According to someone from Porterbrook at an IMechE talk)

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