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Will Kent be the worst affected area regarding Brexit?

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I think it will, with the obvious fact that its the closest county to the EU and a major transport artery to continental Europe. Of course, there is the argument that Northern Ireland might be the worst area affected.

I do think that a lot of the concerns over Brexit may be exaggerated, especially as no one really knows what the impact will be. I do hope there will be few issues, but it seems likely there could be some serious disruption particularly in Kent, for various reasons......

Transport
  • Most talked about is the potential traffic congestion caused by lorries queuing at Folkestone and Dover, particularly along the M20/A20. But there will also be the addition of extra lorry traffic towards Manston Airport, which is almost the other side of Kent compared to the south coast. I doubt all lorries will follow official diversions, so I can imagine the A28 between Ashford (where the M20 passes) and Thanet could be clogged up - this road is mostly single carriageway and goes through Canterbury city centre. Traffic generally flows fairly well (in comparison to my native Essex, for example), but if ever there is an incident in Canterbury, Ashford, Dover or Thanet, it can cause serious congestion - thats before Brexit.
  • Stagecoach are worried about the potential traffic with Brexit. They are already struggling to operate a decent service in Ashford and Dover due to traffic congestion. The last few months has been particularly bad in Ashford - some of the M20 preparations for Brexit are already causing major traffic there. How will it be possible to operate anything near a decent service in Ashford and Dover if the traffic will be as bad as predicted?
  • There is still some uncertainty with Eurostar after Brexit. I do hope that things will still run smoothly for them afterwards. I'm not sure there will be a drop in passengers, except for maybe the Brussels trains. Ashford seems under-utlised as it is, so I hope passenger numbers will not drop here to make it unviable. Disruptions on Eurostar could have a knock-on effect with the domestic high speed trains too.
  • There is also environmental issues with the amount of lorries which could be clogging up the roads. Any issues on the M20 causes issues on many local roads passing through towns and villages.
Education
  • KCC have already given schools advice and warnings about issues with Brexit. If traffic will be as bad as predicted, teachers will have difficulty getting to work on time, and parents will have problems getting their children to school. A lot of the KCC warnings are 'worst case scenario' stuff, but still quite concerning. Kent also has a large number of children travelling long distances to reach school, so it could be diffcult getting them to school if they have to go anywhere near Ashford or the M20 - for example there are school buses from Ashford to Canterbury
Economy
  • Tourism is a big part of the Kent economy. Pretty much everyday in Canterbury, there are coach loads of French/Belgian kids on school trips - this is not something I see often in other parts of the country. Cars from the continent are a common sight. Will these people want to come to Kent for a day trip if it means getting stuck for hours in traffic? Its not just international visitors, the predicted traffic would put locals off visiting Dover Castle, for example.
  • Kent still has a large amount of orchards, hop fields, and various other agricultural fields. Large groups of Eastern European seasonal workers are often seen at harvest time, helping to gather the crops. It would be a big concern if things were made difficult for them to come to work here, especially if they can just go and work in another European country. Fruit picking etc is certainly not a job that the Eastern Europeans have 'stolen' from us - will local workers be able to replace all of the migrant workers? I seriously doubt it - there will certainly be some who would do that job, but I doubt farms would find the same numbers of 'native' workers.
Brexit has the potential to affect every almost aspect of life in Kent. Hopefully all the predictions of chaos are exaggerated, but it is a serious worry for many Kentish people such as myself.

Fun fact: 59% of people in Kent voted to Leave.
 
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I think it will, with the obvious fact that its the closest county to the EU and a major transport artery to continental Europe. Of course, there is the argument that Northern Ireland might be the worst area affected.

I do think that a lot of the concerns over Brexit may be exaggerated, especially as no one really knows what the impact will be. I do hope there will be few issues, but it seems likely there could be some serious disruption particularly in Kent, for various reasons......

Transport
  • Most talked about is the potential traffic congestion caused by lorries queuing at Folkestone and Dover, particularly along the M20/A20. But there will also be the addition of extra lorry traffic towards Manston Airport, which is almost the other side of Kent compared to the south coast. I doubt all lorries will follow official diversions, so I can imagine the A28 between Ashford (where the M20 passes) and Thanet could be clogged up - this road is mostly single carriageway and goes through Canterbury city centre. Traffic generally flows fairly well (in comparison to my native Essex, for example), but if ever there is an incident in Canterbury, Ashford, Dover or Thanet, it can cause serious congestion - thats before Brexit.
  • Stagecoach are worried about the potential traffic with Brexit. They are already struggling to operate a decent service in Ashford and Dover due to traffic congestion. The last few months has been particularly bad in Ashford - some of the M20 preparations for Brexit are already causing major traffic there. How will it be possible to operate anything near a decent service in Ashford and Dover if the traffic will be as bad as predicted?
  • There is still some uncertainty with Eurostar after Brexit. I do hope that things will still run smoothly for them afterwards. I'm not sure there will be a drop in passengers, except for maybe the Brussels trains. Ashford seems under-utlised as it is, so I hope passenger numbers will not drop here to make it unviable. Disruptions on Eurostar could have a knock-on effect with the domestic high speed trains too.
  • There is also environmental issues with the amount of lorries which could be clogging up the roads. Any issues on the M20 causes issues on many local roads passing through towns and villages.
Education
  • KCC have already given schools advice and warnings about issues with Brexit. If traffic will be as bad as predicted, teachers will have difficulty getting to work on time, and parents will have problems getting their children to school. A lot of the KCC warnings are 'worst case scenario' stuff, but still quite concerning. Kent also has a large number of children travelling long distances to reach school, so it could be diffcult getting them to school if they have to go anywhere near Ashford or the M20 - for example there are school buses from Ashford to Canterbury
Economy
  • Tourism is a big part of the Kent economy. Pretty much everyday in Canterbury, there are coach loads of French/Belgian kids on school trips - this is not something I see often in other parts of the country. Cars from the continent are a common sight. Will these people want to come to Kent for a day trip if it means getting stuck for hours in traffic? Its not just international visitors, the predicted traffic would put locals off visiting Dover Castle, for example.
  • Kent still has a large amount of orchards, hop fields, and various other agricultural fields. Large groups of Eastern European seasonal workers are often seen at harvest time, helping to gather the crops. It would be a big concern if things were made difficult for them to come to work here, especially if they can just go and work in another European country. Fruit picking etc is certainly not a job that the Eastern Europeans have 'stolen' from us - will local workers be able to replace all of the migrant workers? I seriously doubt it - there will certainly be some who would do that job, but I doubt farms would find the same numbers of 'native' workers.
Brexit has the potential to affect every almost aspect of life in Kent. Hopefully all the predictions of chaos are exaggerated, but it is a serious worry for many Kentish people such as myself.

Fun fact: 59% of people in Kent voted to Leave.


In terms of traffic yes!
If you look at the amount of trucks and cars coming off the Ferries, it's actually quite a lot.

In terms of economy, probably Sunderland with it's new Nissan factory, which will probably close after a no deal Brexit.
 

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Upgrades to the A2 and the Lower Thames Crossing should help alleviate traffic woes.
 

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In terms of traffic yes!
If you look at the amount of trucks and cars coming off the Ferries, it's actually quite a lot.

In terms of economy, probably Sunderland with it's new Nissan factory, which will probably close after a no deal Brexit.

Yes, apparently 10,000 lorries a day, taking 2 minutes each to process. I can imagine if Brexit causes the process to take just a few minutes extra, it could cause some issues!

Interesting to note that Sunderland voted 61.3% to Leave.

I think some 'peripheral' areas could also be some of the worst affected too. For example, Cornwall has received more than 1 billion euros of EU funding since 2000. I wonder if anything will replace this funding.....

Upgrades to the A2 and the Lower Thames Crossing should help alleviate traffic woes.

The Lower Thames Crossing is still only a proposal, so I doubt it will help from 29th March!
 
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That entire area of Kent is being revamped, upgraded, developed, etc etc. Kent is undergoing major change. I think there ill be a few years of blame and then slowly it will resolve itself.

Even today I was looking at the Ebsfleet Garden City development and how that is going to impact the local motorway, transport links, housing, schools, etc etc. The timeline for that is very much in "the future"

I think everyone is seeing the 29th of March and thinking of all the worst case scenarios. What I care about more is how Kent will look in 5-10yrs time. I will be pushing retirement for sure by then but my kids need a decent place to live and work.
 

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I think Wales will be worst affected. Wales does well out of EU funding but voted leave - but I simply can't see any chance of the Westminster Government choosing to match that lost funding.

Scotland, of course, will secede for certain. It's only a matter of when.

Anywhere within commuting distance of London may have a bit of a kick to its economy but because of London's strong economy (which will remain strong to a fair extent) they won't do too badly.
 

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I think Wales will be worst affected. Wales does well out of EU funding but voted leave.

Ironic, isn't it, how Lincolnshire and Devon/Cornwall also voted out, having benefitted from EU funding.
 

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What I find odd is talk in the papers of stockpiling and warehouses being full, there's a massive new warehouse by M1 J13 in Milton Keynes which is newly built and still completely empty
 

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What I find odd is talk in the papers of stockpiling and warehouses being full, there's a massive new warehouse by M1 J13 in Milton Keynes which is newly built and still completely empty
There was an item on the local news the other day showing a warehouse stockpiling raw materials for medicines ready for Brexit.

It wasn't a new warehouse, it was the company's normal buffer stock warehouse. It looked half empty. If that was the level of stockpiling required, I wonder how empty it was in "normal" times? The company could probably have saved a fortune over the years renting a warehouse one tenth the size.
 

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There was an item on the local news the other day showing a warehouse stockpiling raw materials for medicines ready for Brexit.

It wasn't a new warehouse, it was the company's normal buffer stock warehouse. It looked half empty. If that was the level of stockpiling required, I wonder how empty it was in "normal" times? The company could probably have saved a fortune over the years renting a warehouse one tenth the size.

Take a trip to Dover; to see the amount of trucks going through the port each hour!
Then think about what would happen if every truck had to be stopped and checked!
 

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Take a trip to Dover; to see the amount of trucks going through the port each hour!
Then think about what would happen if every truck had to be stopped and checked!
70% of the trucks leaving Dover are empty. They have entered the UK loaded, having brought the massive trade imbalance with them and are going back for more. They shouldn't take much clearing.
 

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Ironic, isn't it, how Lincolnshire and Devon/Cornwall also voted out, having benefitted from EU funding.

Quite.

In reality it was a fairly large proportion of misinformed people who voted leave as a means of giving the establishment a well-earned kick up the backside rather than through in-depth research of the likely effect on them.

The EU has probably done more for most of Wales than Westminster ever did or will. If anything else they should logically be more like Scotland in wanting to be independent but within the EU.
 

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Quite.The EU has probably done more for most of Wales than Westminster ever did or will.

Exactly my thinking, I don't quite know how they were convinced that cutting their own toes could be any bit of an improvement.

To bring this back to the original topic. Those areas losing their EU development grants etc. could be considered in the vein of regions worst affected.
 

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Scotland, of course, will secede for certain. It's only a matter of when.

What makes you so certain about this?

I'd say the independence movement in Scotland has retrenched a little in the last few years. Malaise towards the SNP as set in, and it doesn't exactly help that the "father of Scottish independence" is now up for some very serious (albeit unproven) criminal charges. Lest we remember that, although more Scots voted remain than leave, there's still a pretty hefty proportion who voted leave.

If I were a betting man I'd be more inclined to put a few pounds on NI leaving the UK at some point in my lifetime.

Personally, as an English taxpayer, one can't help but wonder that losing both would possibly have positive consequences for my tax bill!
 

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Personally, as an English taxpayer, one can't help but wonder that losing both would possibly have positive consequences for my tax bill!
Seems to make the same mistake as "Beeching".
 

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Seems to make the same mistake as "Beeching".
Except in this case it would be the branch lines voting for their own closure or at least severing the main line connections.

I cannot see England unilaterally expelling any constituent member of the UK unless it was the express wish of that country.
 

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Except in this case it would be the branch lines voting for their own closure or at least severing the main line connections.

I cannot see England unilaterally expelling any constituent member of the UK unless it was the express wish of that country.
Oh, let's be done with it and expel Northern Ireland, the biggest drain on resources and the one whose 'leadership' is not only keeping our pathetically weak government in nominal charge but is going to be the one that ensures the Brexit process has the worst possible outcome.
 

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Its not just the peripheral areas which have received EU funding.

In Ramsgate, there is a large EU sign along King Street in the town centre - the town centre improvements were partially funded by the European Regional Development Fund as part of the Kent/Nord Pas De Calais Transfrontier Programme.
The A256 dual carriageway between Dover and Thanet was upgraded with EU funding, making it a dual carriageway. The lorries which will park at Manston will use this road, incidentally!
The rebuilding of 'The Beaney' museum and library in Canterbury was partially funded by the EU. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, although I'd imagine the 'peripheral' areas have received a lot more funding than Kent.
 

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Oh, let's be done with it and expel Northern Ireland, the biggest drain on resources and the one whose 'leadership' is not only keeping our pathetically weak government in nominal charge but is going to be the one that ensures the Brexit process has the worst possible outcome.

Not the government, but those pesky people in Northern Ireland who voted for the Good Friday Agreement to end decades of Civil War. How downright selfish of them.
 
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