Blackpool - Manchester Electrification

Eccles1983 · 3 Feb 2019

The line is called the up and down east Lancs as a part of the Calder valley line.

Copy pit is just an area near Portsmouth crossing and Holme tunnel where a pit used to be, with a sidings.

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furnessvale · 3 Feb 2019

Paul Sidorczuk said:
That is the name for the line southwards down the valley from Burnley Manchester Road down towards the Todmorden area, where the line bifurcates in both the lines to Hebden Bridge and to Todmorden

I know that. As a railway engineer I did several surveys and relaying jobs on that line.

I was questioning how a train from Salford Crescent to Bolton manages to use it!

175001 · 3 Feb 2019

PDG1949 said:
Unusual ECS destination from Liverpool Lime St at 0745 today - Bolton

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S45449/2019/02/02/advanced

it's 5V20, LIV-MCV via Chat Moss, then via Salford Crescent up to Bolton landing on Platform 2

and it only runs today......curious.....

Been a usual move on Strike Saturdays

Llama · 3 Feb 2019

furnessvale said:
I know that. As a railway engineer I did several surveys and relaying jobs on that line.

I was questioning how a train from Salford Crescent to Bolton manages to use it!

If we are talking about that ECS move I mentioned upthread it doesn't go via Bolton, it was given as an example of the unusual ECS positioning moves when industrial action is taking place.

furnessvale · 3 Feb 2019

Llama said:
If we are talking about that ECS move I mentioned upthread it doesn't go via Bolton, it was given as an example of the unusual ECS positioning moves when industrial action is taking place.

I see now. Two unusual moves have become interlaced in the thread.

The realtime trains link provided by PDG1949 does not go via Copy Pit.

Llama · 3 Feb 2019

No, that's right.

This is the one I mentioned, it was just an example of the ECS that runs on a strike day that doesn't run normally.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S45393/2019/02/02/advanced

That's the Copy Pit one.

Jozhua · 3 Feb 2019

Just wondering,
With electrification ticking along at a comfortable glacial pace, looking to be completed in time for May, does anyone know the types of units that will be running along the line?

inianin · 3 Feb 2019

Jozhua said:
Just wondering,
With electrification ticking along at a comfortable glacial pace, looking to be completed in time for May, does anyone know the types of units that will be running along the line?

319, 323? 350?

PN27 · 3 Feb 2019

jozhua said:
Just wondering,
With electrification ticking along at a comfortable glacial pace, looking to be completed in time for May, does anyone know the types of units that will be running along the line?

319s almost certainly, schedules have gone in timed for 323, and TPE will be using 350s if their 397s aren't all in use by May.

Geeves · 3 Feb 2019

390s no doubt at some time in the future too. Do we know if any progress has made on the M61 over bridge that was being held up by the highways agency?

Trackman · 4 Feb 2019

(from another group) The 350 testing for next week is off due to incomplete paperwork.

Joseph_Locke · 4 Feb 2019

Geeves said:
390s no doubt at some time in the future too. Do we know if any progress has made on the M61 over bridge that was being held up by the highways agency?

Particularly when the WCML is diverted via Bolton during the blockade at Acton Grange - but these probably won't call, even at Bolton.

bengley · 4 Feb 2019

Geeves said:
390s no doubt at some time in the future too. Do we know if any progress has made on the M61 over bridge that was being held up by the highways agency?

I drove over it yesterday on the motorway and it appears to have had green pallasade fencing put up

TBSchenker · 4 Feb 2019

Joseph_Locke said:
Particularly when the WCML is diverted via Bolton during the blockade at Acton Grange - but these probably won't call, even at Bolton.

Given Virgins performance when Golborne Jn was closed for a week, they diverted their xx17 from Preston via Bolton, didn't even call at Piccadilly, next stop Stockport .but put all their xx58 London passengers on to the xx09 Transpennine service to change at Piccadilly for London.

Double voyagers were sailing through Piccadilly half empty (I saw with my own eyes) when the TPE services were absolutely rammed, people were being left behind at Horwich and Bolton .

I hope train planners have come up with a better plan this time .

STANDISH · 4 Feb 2019

When is Acton Grange being blockade ? Thank you for any information

Class 170101 · 4 Feb 2019

TBSchenker said:
I hope train planners have come up with a better plan this time .

They might have more trouble this time as there are more trains coming from the west now than previously thanks to Ordsall Chord.

LeylandLen · 5 Feb 2019

STANDISH said:
When is Acton Grange being blockade ? Thank you for any information

Ive had a look around the internet ; cant see any obvious dates. Think its more a long term thing.Network rail must have simple calender for public use of forthcoming plans, if only a wish list of objectives.; no doubt there will be many over Xmas this year.Can anyone provide info ?

LDECRexile · 6 Feb 2019

I have kindly been told that:

1. Readers are cordially invited to attend this:

https://www.thepwi.org/calendar/event/view?id=953

2. 319 test train(s) are to run on the night of Weds 20th Feb, which I take to mean the early hours of 21st. A bonus point will be awarded to whoever posts the timings first.

Llama · 6 Feb 2019

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/BON/2019/02/21/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
5Zxx?
Looks like the unit is pathed from Allerton to Preston at 2230 on the 20th.

notlob.divad · 6 Feb 2019

Looks we have positioning move from Allerton to Preston 5z90 then:

5z91 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S11529/2019/02/21/advanced Preston to Man Vic

5z92 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S11529/2019/02/21/advanced Return as far as Buckshaw Parkway

5z93 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S11531/2019/02/21/advanced 2nd trip down to Victoria

5z94 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S11533/2019/02/21/advanced Once more North to Preston

With 5z95 taking the unit back to Allerton

5z90 is timed for a 319 everything else (including the return 5z95 timed for 75mph dmu)

LDECRexile · 6 Feb 2019

Llama, your Bonus Point is in the post.

I intend to cover 5Z91 through Clifton c01:05 then 5Z92 through Kearsley c01:55. If I'm awake enough I'll stay for 5Z93 through Farnworth then 5Z94 through Moses Gate.

If anyone else is desperate to go to any of these locations at these times please post so, and I'll move elsewhere. I'm not being antisocial, but on such occasions the jam is best spread thinly.

Graham, please may I enlist you as my eSpotter once again?

td97 · 6 Feb 2019

Same runnings Friday early am too. Seems to be a similar schedule to the cancelled ones from last month.
(On RTT, you can select ''non-passenger services" only and deselect 'WTT' and 'VAR' to produce a easier to read schedule of only the test runs)

GRALISTAIR · 6 Feb 2019

LDECRexile said:
Llama, your Bonus Point is in the post.

I intend to cover 5Z91 through Clifton c01:05 then 5Z92 through Kearsley c01:55. If I'm awake enough I'll stay for 5Z93 through Farnworth then 5Z94 through Moses Gate.

If anyone else is desperate to go to any of these locations at these times please post so, and I'll move elsewhere. I'm not being antisocial, but on such occasions the jam is best spread thinly.

Graham, please may I enlist you as my eSpotter once again?

Delighted

Thomas6187 · 8 Feb 2019

Heard a rumour that Northern intend to use a 319 on a Buckshaw-Victoria starting Monday 11th Feb

Llama · 8 Feb 2019

Yes that's right, you will be able to get on an electric train at Bolton from Monday.

We have been told that half of the Man Vic- Buckshaw Parkway turnbacks, as well as about one in three of the Man Picc-Blackpool North and Man Airport-Preston services are booked to be 319s.

YorkshireBear · 8 Feb 2019

I didn't realise the approvals were in place?

td97 · 8 Feb 2019

YorkshireBear said:
I didn't realise the approvals were in place?

I presume the testing at the end of the month is for 100mph and a 75mph Temporary Speed Restriction will be in place for electric traction?
Seems all the stars are aligning at Northern HQ, with the return of full Saturday services from the 16th too.

Bertie the bus · 8 Feb 2019

Let's just hope the strong winds forecast for the weekend don't bring the wires down.

Trackman · 8 Feb 2019

319 testing 20th Feb, now 319's from next Monday?
Am I missing something?

TBSchenker · 8 Feb 2019

Wonder if that TPE service (1M97) will get to run via Bolton then next week?

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