Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

Highlandspring · 3 Feb 2019

Balfarg1982 said:
Hi there first time reply something I am wondering about the sr 385's can they be coupled with the sr 380's.

They can couple mechanically but not electrically, which means any movement has to be at 5mph as there's no brake continuity.

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EMU303 · 3 Feb 2019

Highlandspring said:
385015 unable to raise pantograph at Eastfield.

PHILIPE said:
The unit and traincrew would have been back in Glasgow. There are no spare units and train crews lying around to cover many eventualities

Thanks for the replies.

No spare 385s even on a Sunday?

I suppose once the fault was identified then maybe insufficient time to get another unit ready if available.

Hopefully these are teething troubles that will soon be fully resolved.

Highlandspring · 3 Feb 2019

EMU303 said:
No spare 385s even on a Sunday?

A couple of unallocated 385s at Millerhill (though some were offline for maintenance) but the issue was getting a driver to lift a unit into the Waverley and the original crew being out of position. Unfortunately it isn’t just as simple as pulling a ‘spare’ train out of the magician’s hat.

EMU303 · 3 Feb 2019

Highlandspring said:
A couple of unallocated 385s at Millerhill (though some were offline for maintenance) but the issue was getting a driver to lift a unit into the Waverley and the original crew being out of position. Unfortunately it isn’t just as simple as pulling a ‘spare’ train out of the magician’s hat.

Thanks again for explaining

gsnedders · 4 Feb 2019

Highlandspring said:
A couple of unallocated 385s at Millerhill (though some were offline for maintenance) but the issue was getting a driver to lift a unit into the Waverley and the original crew being out of position. Unfortunately it isn’t just as simple as pulling a ‘spare’ train out of the magician’s hat.

And by the time you've done that, even when it's a 2tph service, it'll be about time for the next train anyway.

Terry Williams · 5 Feb 2019

Anyone have any ideas when 385001/2 and 385101/2 currently listed as being fitted out in Italy are likely to arrive in the UK, please?
Also will they arrive by ship like 385045/6 and road in to Ashford or might they come like the GWR 802s though the channel tunnel?

Soz for the questions but MTIA.

OmniCity999 · 5 Feb 2019

What does MTIA mean?

Terry Williams · 5 Feb 2019

OmniCity999 said:
What does MTIA mean?

Many Thanks In Advance

GrimShady · 5 Feb 2019

E&G services now being advertised on the boards as "ScotRail Express"

SC318250 · 5 Feb 2019

Delivery paths in Thu/Fri

youngac · 6 Feb 2019

Noticed not one but two 385s in Central this morning.

SC318250 · 7 Feb 2019

67004 doing tonight’s delivery

diamond chap · 7 Feb 2019

InOban said:
Another failure implies that there have been lots. I know there was an issue with door opening on curved platforms before Christmas, but I haven't been hearing of any recently. Am I right?

I noticed a door issue with a 385 at Haymarket today (the 1015 from Waverley). As per normal, the doors opened to allow passengers to board and alight. However, some doors didn't open if there was no passenger wishing to board or alight through them (presumably also as per normal) but then the guard had to open and close all of these doors that had remain closed (i.e. the ones that nobody boarded or alighted through) before the train departed. I could see the driver shouting some instructions to the guard as this was going on. It didn't seem to delay things a great deal (a matter of seconds) as only a few of the doors on the front unit needed attention.

Presumably, that was just a one-off for that particular unit or is it indicative of a wider issue (I've never noticed it on any others)?

SC318250 · 8 Feb 2019

385022 delivered last night.

Thanks to yahoo modern emu group

SC318250 · 8 Feb 2019

Looks like 67004 doing tonight’s delivery also
Suspect it will be 020 or 021 coming north tonight

InOban · 8 Feb 2019

And it's left. Can't remember if or when they've sent more than one unit in a week.

800001 · 9 Feb 2019

InOban said:
And it's left. Can't remember if or when they've sent more than one unit in a week.

385020 is the unit.
There has been a couple of weeks where 2 units have gone north, not many though.

James James · 9 Feb 2019

Highlandspring said:
They can couple mechanically but not electrically, which means any movement has to be at 5mph as there's no brake continuity.

I thought that the point of Dellner's/Schwab's/BSI's was that they can route brake pipes through the coupler... But does that mean that the brakes are actually controlled electrically on 380's or 385's?

Looking at photos, the Dellner's on both 380's and 385's seem to have an air connector on the bottom of the coupling, but I have no idea what that's used for then. (But also: they do only seem to have one air connector, so I'm guessing the brake pipe is continuous but each unit has to be able to produce it's own air pressure? Whereas usually you'd have a brake pipe, and a main-reservoir pipe?)

Highlandspring · 9 Feb 2019

The brakes are controlled electrically, the air connection is for main res. In any case the 380s and 385s have different proprietary TMS software which are incompatible with each other.

James James · 9 Feb 2019

Highlandspring said:
The brakes are controlled electrically, the air connection is for main res. In any case the 380s and 385s have different proprietary TMS software which are incompatible with each other.

Thanks, that's interesting. I'm guessing that might make it easier to have regenerative braking for multiple units or something like that?

The odd thing is, on the continent at least, I only ever seem to see couplers with 2 hoses. The GA Flirt's that are coming to the UK also have 2 hoses (as do Pendolino and Voyager), but most others are just one. Desiro's seem to be consistently 2 on the continent, but 1 in the UK.

MisterT · 9 Feb 2019

Huh, I've never even realised that some trains in the UK didn't have brake continuity. Interesting. Is there a reason for that?
As it is required for all trains in the Netherlands, I must have jumped to the conclusion that it would be the same in other countries.

Highlandspring · 9 Feb 2019

There is brake continuity it's just proved electrically rather than pneumatically.

MisterT · 9 Feb 2019

Of course I meant pneumatically by brake pipe.

SC318250 · 12 Feb 2019

Light loco paths in for Wed and Thu night

SC318250 · 12 Feb 2019

I wouldnt be suprised to see a pair of 385s starting service from Glasgow Central in the next few weeks, possibly on Lanark service
I also wouldnt be suprised to see a a couple of units on delivery soon depending if Craigentinney can take them

Highlandspring · 12 Feb 2019

I’ve been told the week after next for 385s starting on the Cathcart Circle. Whether or not it happens then remains to be seen.

Mingulay · 12 Feb 2019

Highlandspring said:
I’ve been told the week after next for 385s starting on the Cathcart Circle. Whether or not it happens then remains to be seen.

Is the Dunblane service going to be the last to get the 385 ? May ? Currently a mix of 365 and dmu to Edinburgh and still all diesel to Glasgow.

mcmad · 12 Feb 2019

looks like it, ridiculous that they're withdrawing electric units while still not providing an electric service on SDA.

route101 · 12 Feb 2019

Mingulay said:
Is the Dunblane service going to be the last to get the 385 ? May ? Currently a mix of 365 and dmu to Edinburgh and still all diesel to Glasgow.

Did a 385 do a Edinburgh to Dunblane at the start of new timetable or was i dreaming?

InOban · 12 Feb 2019

I guess they're keen to withdraw the 314s before they need major exams, and I assume that these drivers also sign the Shotts line, so it will maintain their familiarity with the 385 after initial training.

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