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Dstock7080

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Train 213, formed 21301+21302 was reformed at Edgware Road on the eastbound at 20:00. Please could someone look up what it was reformed to?
According to TrackerNet it remained as T213 to Barking sidings 23Rd (20.46-20.53) then return to Hammersmith (22.01-22.12), Barking sidings 23Rd (23.19-23.25) then ran as T261 to Hammersmith.
Unfortunately TrackerNet proved to be very unreliable for arrival and departure at Hammersmith.
 
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According to TrackerNet it remained as T213 to Barking sidings 23Rd (20.46-20.53) then return to Hammersmith (22.01-22.12), Barking sidings 23Rd (23.19-23.25) then ran as T261 to Hammersmith.
Unfortunately TrackerNet proved to be very unreliable for arrival and departure at Hammersmith.

I'll check the box sheets when I'm back in next week for you if there's time. Unfortunately TrackerNet at both Hammersmith and Edgware Road cannot be relied on at all [Hammersmith even more than normal at the moment] and reforms generally won't show up correctly. Oh the hilarity when TrackerNet showed a District train heading to Baker Street.
 

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According to TrackerNet it remained as T213 to Barking sidings 23Rd (20.46-20.53) then return to Hammersmith (22.01-22.12), Barking sidings 23Rd (23.19-23.25) then ran as T261 to Hammersmith.
Unfortunately TrackerNet proved to be very unreliable for arrival and departure at Hammersmith.

I'll check the box sheets when I'm back in next week for you if there's time. Unfortunately TrackerNet at both Hammersmith and Edgware Road cannot be relied on at all [Hammersmith even more than normal at the moment] and reforms generally won't show up correctly. Oh the hilarity when TrackerNet showed a District train heading to Baker Street.
Thanks both. It was described as a Circle when I boarded at Padd, and became a Barking at Edgware Road.
 

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Thanks both. It was described as a Circle when I boarded at Padd, and became a Barking at Edgware Road.

It would be reasonable to conclude that it then ran to Barking as T261 if that's what it came back as, but will try and check for you as I say.
 

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It would be reasonable to conclude that it then ran to Barking as T261 if that's what it came back as, but will try and check for you as I say.

Solved it! No reform happened at Edgware Road (and I should have remembered this but I hadn't clocked the times!). After departing Hammersmith at 1946 T213 moves onto Barking services for the rest of the evening. This is to cover for two trains that stable early and take the "inter peak stablers" (T171/172) out of the circuit (however, the trains that stable are T262 at Hammersmith and T263 at Barking).

A lot of drivers forget this and will automatically input CIS codes for Circle services. Generally the first they'll realise is seeing the Train Describer at Edgware Road or a polite phone call from the signaller to give them a nudge - and yes, it's caught signallers out too! T263 follows T213 to Barking where it stables, with T213 then running in the "path" of T262 until stable. Everything else jiggles about slightly to restore the 10 minute off-peak frequency which drops to around every 7.5 minutes during the peak with the addition of two extra trains (ish! The 10 minute frequency remains at certain places with the additional trains just covering extended run times - it's very complex!).

It was indeed then reformed into T261 on arrival at Barking 2319, with T213 then being made up from a stabling District.

Just another day on the railway!
 

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Thanks... it hopefully won't take me long to get a picture of 21040 then. :smile:

Is 91341 on the Central back in action yet? Or has it been delayed again?
 

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Is 91341 on the Central back in action yet? Or has it been delayed again?
Not sure on 91341.
2-car 91111-92111 has arrived at Bombardier Derby for pre-assessment examination prior to the major refurbishment to be undertaken on the fleet at Acton Works, once the new workshop is completed.
 
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I need 2 Central cars. The aforementioned 91341 and also 91049. Is 91049 in regular service right now?
 

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Hoping to get some of mine this week.

3258
3456 Bakerloo sets
21441/465/521/527/529/535/543/545
S7 stock
51531/628/629/650/706 Northern Line
91099 Central line

117/130
221/231/251 Piccadilly line

I'm in London til Saturday
So with any luck

Does anyone know if 51628/629 are a full set as a lot of these run as consecutive numbers and some are 2 different half sets?
Thanks for any gen.
 

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Does anyone know if 51628/629 are a full set as a lot of these run as consecutive numbers and some are 2 different half sets?
Thanks for any gen.

Last time I saw them they were, but they do occasionally swap the pairings around so do always be sure to check both units.

For the record for your others, unless they've changed recently, 51531 should be with 51530, 51650 should be with 51649 and 51706 should be with 51532. For the Northern Line stock bashing I'd recommend standing around the mid-point passageway on the northbound platforms at Kennington and checking everything on both platforms.
 

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I need 2 Central cars. The aforementioned 91341 and also 91049. Is 91049 in regular service right now?

Hoping to get some of mine this week.

Apologies, I've been rest days so haven't been able to look these up yet. I am back in Thursday night (on nights) so if anyone is looking Friday or Saturday I'll get what I can posted up first thing.

Last time I saw them they were, but they do occasionally swap the pairings around so do always be sure to check both units.

As far as the 1995TS goes the majority are paired consecutively. Only a handful have been remarshalled since delivery; unfortunately I haven't the list to hand.
 

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20190207_141356.jpg Just got my last Bakeroo set lol.
3258 from Queens Park to Baker St.
Seen 21441 but wasn't in service.
Ha still got til Saturday to play.
 

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Hoping to get some of mine this week.

Allocations today as of 0710. As always, subject to change dependant on network perturbations.

Bakerloo - 1972 stock
  • 3258 - 203
  • 3556 - 236
Piccadilly line - 1973 stock
  • 117 - 362
  • 130 - 224
  • 221 - 372
  • 231 - Out of service Northfields
  • 251 - Out of service Cockfosters
Central line - 1992 stock
  • 91049 - Out of service Hainault
  • 91099 - 017
  • 91341 - Remains at Acton Works
Northern line - 1995 stock
  • 51531 - 127
  • 51628 - 064
  • 51629 - 064
  • 51650 - 140
  • 51706 - 045
Sub-Surface lines - S7 stock
  • 21441/2 - 056 - District line
  • 21465/6 - Ruislip depot, ATC fitment
  • 21521/2 - 037 - District line
  • 21527/8 - Out of service Neasden
  • 21529/30 - 066 - District line
  • 21535/6 - 051 - District line
  • 21543/4 - 074 - District line
  • 21545/6 - Out of service Ealing Common
 
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Not sure on 91341.
2-car 91111-92111 has arrived at Bombardier Derby for pre-assessment examination prior to the major refurbishment to be undertaken on the fleet at Acton Works, once the new workshop is completed.

91341 now has a date at the end of May, but I suspect that may be somewhat nominal - from what I understand there is still a fair bit to do...
 

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Just waiting for 51628/629 On train 064.
Then I've cleared the Northern Line.
 

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Had an eventful day on the Underground
today.

First off was Piccadilly Line.
And it wasn't long before I got my first winner for haulage
170 with 125 which was unallocated according to the list lol.
Based myself around Leicester Sq/Covent Garden.
Managed to get 4 out my 5.

Next was the Northern Line.
Got myself down to Kennington platform 1 and 3 to watch both northbound lines.
Most of my moves were to Waterloo and once to Elephant & Castle.
My last one was 51628/629 which eluded me.
It wasn't on 064 as that was 51535/536.
So I gave up the ghost as I think I must have seen nearly everything that was out.
After a late lunch,I ventured upstairs lol at Embankment in search of some S7's.
Got 4 out of my 8.
So not too bad.
I have one day left tomorrow to further my search
So an updated list looks like this...

Piccadilly
117

Central
91099

Northern
51628/629

S7
21463/529/543/545.

Cleared my Bakerloo yesterday.

Also,can I post fleet details of mis-matched Northern Line sets.
All the 517xx are paired with 515s or 516s.
Saw 2 pairs of mis-matched 515s as well.
Not sure if these change regularly or if they are in fact supposed to mis-match?
Also,most start with an odd lower number and some start with an even lower number?
Perhaps a fleet list post could be a good idea so we know which starts on evens and which ones start on odds.

Thanks to Bluegoblin7 for the gen.
 

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All the 517xx are paired with 515s or 516s.
Saw 2 pairs of mis-matched 515s as well.
Not sure if these change regularly or if they are in fact supposed to mis-match?

That's because the 517xx units are the ones with de-icing equipment, so they are supposed to mis-match.

As to the 515xx mis-matches, I'll hazard a guess you saw 51552 + 51567?
 

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Also,can I post fleet details of mis-matched Northern Line sets.
All the 517xx are paired with 515s or 516s.
Saw 2 pairs of mis-matched 515s as well.
Not sure if these change regularly or if they are in fact supposed to mis-match?
Also,most start with an odd lower number and some start with an even lower number?
Perhaps a fleet list post could be a good idea so we know which starts on evens and which ones start on odds.

Thanks to Bluegoblin7 for the gen.

1995TS de-icing cars are broadly paired with non de-icing cars in numerical order. They don't get re-marshalled often, and generally get swapped back even if they do.

The pairings I understand are as follows, but this is from a while back and a very small number may be incorrect these days. Each pair reads up and down.

502 504 506 509 511 513 516 518 521 523 526 528 530 533 535 537 540 542 544 547
503 505 507 510 512 514 517 519 522 524 527 529 531 534 536 538 541 543 545 548

549 552 554 556 558 561 563 565 568 570 572 575 577 579 582 584 586 589 591 593
550 567 555 557 559 562 564 566 569 571 573 576 578 580 583 585 587 590 592 594

596 598 600 603 605 607 610 612 614 617 619 621 624 626 628 631 633 635 638 640
597 599 601 604 606 608 611 613 615 618 620 622 625 627 629 632 634 636 639 641

642 645 647 649 652 654 656 659 661 663 666 668 670 673 675 677 679 681 683 685
643 646 648 650 653 655 657 660 662 664 667 669 671 674 676 678 680 682 684 686

501 508 515 520 525 532 539 546 553 560 551 574 581 588 595 602 609 616 623 630
701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720

637 644 651 658 665 672
721 722 723 724 725 726

The disposition between 551 and 567 appears to be long-term.

A known discrepancy from recent notes is that 531 was paired with 556, so 530 possibly with 557. They may or may not have swapped back.
 

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With 892 on 242.
Central
91099
With 93436, 93220 and 91119 on 110.

S7
21463/529/543/545
21464 on H&C 171, this doesn’t leave Barking platform until 22.26, then runs to Baker St (reverse), then 23.10½ to Barking, then 00.16 Plaistow to Baker St.
21530 on District 67
21544 on District 74
21546 on District 11
Northern
51628/629
51628 with 51629 on 125.
 

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Excellent. Thanks again.

51567 was with 51552 yesterday
As for 517s listed as seen
703/515 711/511 719/623
704/520 712/574 720/630
705/609 713/581 722/644
706/532 715/595 723/655
707/539 716/602 725/655
708/546 717/525 726/672
709/553 718/616
Have these been permanently coupled into sets or do they swap if required.
I noticed all have odd and even sets coupled together except 51715/655.

I didn't see them all,so hopefully someone can update that list so it's completely up to date.
Ha,good job it's not Central line.
 

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Finished my Central line off today.
I managed to get 91099 which was with
92108/016 and 91333.
Also got 21543/544,but no luck with the others this time.
So I'll have another go on my next major trip to the capital in the summer.
Thanks again to those who helped here.
 

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Tony Mason

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I am in London on Thursday 14th February 2019 still chasing my last Piccadilly Line Set(186/586/386).
Would it be possible to give times at Acton Town from 09.30 until 15.00
Many Thanks
 
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I am just setting off from Crewe to London would it be possible to confirm that the Piccadilly Line set 186/586/386 will be in service today as this is my 4th attempt to see my last Piccadilly Set
Any help wpould be much appreciated
 

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