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NorthernSpirit

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I think the 58/09 plate B9s are being upgraded to Euro6 standards, while everything else in the double deck fleet will be sent over to Halifax and Huddersfield. The 14-plate E400s are apparently moving on as well, probably as they're non-standard in the West Yorkshire fleet.

The E400's are earmarked for the Zest503, owt else will more than likley be painted up in blue & gold for the X63, red for the Holme Valley Connection, blue for HD Connect and green for Calder Connect with the rest being in Olympia with Halifax / Huddersfield "skylines" applied. Unless something similar to HD Connect is rolled out across Halifax.
 
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The E400's are earmarked for the Zest503, owt else will more than likley be painted up in blue & gold for the X63, red for the Holme Valley Connection, blue for HD Connect and green for Calder Connect with the rest being in Olympia with Halifax / Huddersfield "skylines" applied. Unless something similar to HD Connect is rolled out across Halifax.
Is any of this confirmed?

Thought Calder Connect are single deckers?
 

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Is any of this confirmed?

Thought Calder Connect are single deckers?

Calder Connects are all single decks (when it was the Overground Green Line it was a mixture of double and single decks), the E400's for the Zest503 is based on what I've read and what I've heard from various sources and the rest is based on what reg the vehicle is and guessing that it could be replaced with the transfers from Leeds.

As Andyh82 has said, none of it is confirmed it’s just rumours. I'm simply keeping a look out and seeing what happens.
 

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From the 6th January York sees the introduction of two new services, the 2A and the 3A. These services will follow the routes of services 2 and 3 but will serve all stops. The York city services also see some changes too.

https://www.firstgroup.com/york/new...nned-changes/service-changes-6th-january-2019

Myself (and my mate who was with me) was told by the bloke on the info desk in York railway station that the timetables may be reverted to the previous standard folded letter size instead of the current tiny small things.
 

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Halifax have got more B9s in the form of 37128 etc to replace the oldest buses
 

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Unusual sight in York today - couple of 16 reg deckers working 5/5A services (1 in Leeds livery). On loan or are York finally getting some stock for non P&R routes that isn't an average of 15 years old?
 

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buses 37058 and 37729 to move to First Kernow as extra open toppers this comes from their facebook page
 

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Unusual sight in York today - couple of 16 reg deckers working 5/5A services (1 in Leeds livery). On loan or are York finally getting some stock for non P&R routes that isn't an average of 15 years old?

Can't find anything about Leeds livered decker in York on the recently updated fleetlist. What I do know is that two of the four Eclipses that were in Buses of Somerset livery over the past five weeks have only just been repainted into the Halifax livery and that there is a Leeds livered decker floating around Huddersfield which is usually found on the Holme Valley Connection services.

Service 5 in Leeds gets rerouted via Clarendon Way from Monday 28th January after long term roadworks caused the service to run via its Sunday route (via Calverley Street).
https://www.firstgroup.com/leeds/ne...vice-5-returns-original-route-monday-28th-jan
 

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Can't find anything about Leeds livered decker in York on the recently updated fleetlist. What I do know is that two of the four Eclipses that were in Buses of Somerset livery over the past five weeks have only just been repainted into the Halifax livery and that there is a Leeds livered decker floating around Huddersfield which is usually found on the Holme Valley Connection services.

Service 5 in Leeds gets rerouted via Clarendon Way from Monday 28th January after long term roadworks caused the service to run via its Sunday route (via Calverley Street).
https://www.firstgroup.com/leeds/ne...vice-5-returns-original-route-monday-28th-jan

StreetDeck 35100 from Bradford (this bus of course new to York as hybrid cover), and Pulse StreetDeck 35206 and B9 36216 spent a couple of days in York. This was as the Uni Graduation Shuttle was running so more buses were required.

York is due newer buses for non-P&R routes. Unfortunately all the council see is electric buses on P&R. That has obviously taken ages, which in turn has affected everything else.
 

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StreetDeck 35100 from Bradford (this bus of course new to York as hybrid cover), and Pulse StreetDeck 35206 and B9 36216 spent a couple of days in York. This was as the Uni Graduation Shuttle was running so more buses were required.

York is due newer buses for non-P&R routes. Unfortunately all the council see is electric buses on P&R. That has obviously taken ages, which in turn has affected everything else.

Cheers AB93, will be interesting to see what appears as a lot of the non P&R stock is getting seriously tatty inside. Odd that First never seem to do interior refurbs like other operators (or I've never come across one anyway).
 

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Cheers AB93, will be interesting to see what appears as a lot of the non P&R stock is getting seriously tatty inside. Odd that First never seem to do interior refurbs like other operators (or I've never come across one anyway).
The general interior state of all of the First fleet is shocking threadbare seats, non working heating and crumbling flooring it makes you laugh that they’ll put WiFi in a bus but won’t make sure the heating works or the seats are actually clean and comfortable to sit on
 

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Cheers AB93, will be interesting to see what appears as a lot of the non P&R stock is getting seriously tatty inside. Odd that First never seem to do interior refurbs like other operators (or I've never come across one anyway).
The general interior state of all of the First fleet is shocking threadbare seats, non working heating and crumbling flooring it makes you laugh that they’ll put WiFi in a bus but won’t make sure the heating works or the seats are actually clean and comfortable to sit on

There was a refurb programme in 2012/3 and since then, it has been more on a company by company basis so....

First Hampshire and Dorset have done quite a number and it was noticeable that when travelling on First South Yorkshire last month, one vehicle that I got on and looked much better was indeed a former Weymouth Eclipse.

First West of England have refurbished a lot of vehicles - they've done some older deckers surprisingly for certain Bristol city services and this has continued with various ALXs Eclipses and Geminis being refurbished though usually for specific route relaunches (e.g. Mendip Explorer, Discover, Bath City 5). Note: there are still quite a number with very careworn interior and exterior condition that, I assume, are destined for transfer elsewhere!

First Midlands have similarly done refurbs for the Salt Road and the Nimrod routes (plus various other assorted spare Citaros), First Berkshire are doing their 6 year old Volvo hybrids to Heathrow, First Glasgow are busy getting various Geminis refurbished for specific routes, and First Cymru are refurbishing various Eclipses to go with their new red colour scheme.

So it isn't quite true that First don't do interior refurbs. That said, I've also travelled on other First OpCos and fully appreciate that not every one is getting the same attention and if you're served by an OpCo that doesn't do that, then that is YOUR reality!!

First York is a very old fleet these days, aside from the electric Versas on the P&R. My brother in law lives near Acomb and the 4 has gone from FTR (!) to a motley collection of vehicles - last time I had a B7L that was very careworn! Any idea on the newer fleet - hope it's more than just cascading the Eclipses on the P&R to regular work (though that would be beneficial in getting shot of the B7Ls)???
 

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Never thought I'd say this, but could do with First taking their competitive gloves off and kicking Yorkshire Tiger into shape on the HD8 (Kirkburton-Skelmanthorpe-Denby Dale/Clayton West) corridor. Two successive buses missed on the 233 this afternoon. Now on the move finally but for some reason we're waiting ages at almost every stop. Think Waterloo needs some German efficiency in from head office!
 

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First Leeds has rolled out a generic "LeedsCity" livery, generic as in there is no corridor stripe such as red for Headingley, yellow for York Road, blue for Dewsbury Road & Roundhay, etc.

So could this be the end of the Leeds "skylines" livery and what will happen to the Leeds City Bus branding, since a handful of Eclipses had the LCB red and blue branding stuck on the front where the First F would normally go but I believe that these have been removed in favour of the F being appiled and the vehicles used on other routes instead as service 5 mostly sees Streetlites on it these days, its rare to see anything else on it.

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There is a consultation that is ongoing until the end of March about the A629 corridor which runs between Halifax and Huddersfield. The said corridor is to see some improvements to the infrastructure, this includes:
  • creating a quality bus corridor with highway measures to improve bus journey times and journey quality.
  • real time information along bus routes, with improved stop locations.
  • bus infrastructure that can make it possible for bus operators to introduce an express service between Huddersfield and Halifax.

Out of the three points mentioned, most stops along the route are equipt with LCD YourNextBus screens - these are bound to be replaced with new four level white LED displays (an example of such a display is on Burras Lane in Otley) and if introduced, could we be seeing the introduction of an X3?

Could an "X3" affect the Zest503? Such as three buses an hour are Zest503's and the other three are X3's - the frequency could more or less be the same apart from around West Vale which would see a reduction.

http://www.calderdalenextchapter.co.uk/projects/a629-halifax-huddersfield

https://www.yourvoice.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/a629_phase4
 

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No the proposed Express bus will only stop at Calderdale Royal Hospital and Elland Riorges Link, it won’t serve Elland or any other bus stop.

I could imagine a slight reduction to the frequency of the 503, maybe to every 12 mins, but definitely not every 20 mins.
 

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When we used to halve a half hourly X36/X37 between Huddersfield and Halifax (every 15 minutes peaks) in the late 80s and early 90s, the frequency of the 503 was every 15 minutes.

All the "TV" type signs are being replaced with LCD screens.

I was quite surprised the TV screens were ever put up - I used to work for TfL on their Countdown system - they had already replaced old red LED screens with Orange ones meeting accessibility guidelines when West Yorkshire started installing their screens.
 

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When we used to halve a half hourly X36/X37 between Huddersfield and Halifax (every 15 minutes peaks) in the late 80s and early 90s, the frequency of the 503 was every 15 minutes.

All the "TV" type signs are being replaced with LCD screens.

I was quite surprised the TV screens were ever put up - I used to work for TfL on their Countdown system - they had already replaced old red LED screens with Orange ones meeting accessibility guidelines when West Yorkshire started installing their screens.
But this is WYPTE we're talking about... near my parents' place there's a bus stop with a "Kassel kerb" that has the wall of a bus shelter blocking it!
 

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Wouldn’t be the first time workmen have installed something incorrectly, I don’t see how this is ‘typical WYPTE’.

Why were the TV style displays put up? Presumably because they were cheaper than the orange ones at the time and the other option may have been not to put any displays up at all at these secondary stops. The cost of technology will have moved on in 15 years.

It’s good they are continuing with it, as they could argue that most people can just use an app on their own phones these days, and I’ve also seen many councils who have mothballed real time systems due to spending cuts.
 

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It’s good they are continuing with it, as they could argue that most people can just use an app on their own phones these days, and I’ve also seen many councils who have mothballed real time systems due to spending cuts.

I could be wrong but isn't the York YourNextBus system ran in conjunction with First York when the system was initally set up?

I'm sure operators pay into the running costs of the system which is also part funded by the local taxpayer which is the case with the joint WYPTE/SYPTE YourNextBus system since it was done jointly generic, it wasn't before long Traveline decided to create their own system which I presume is funded via the 12p a minute Traveline 0871 number.

Even First themselves have a tracker system for their services which bizzarely shows Stagecoach services too (me and a mate tried it in Lincoln), I would have thought it would only show their own services.
 

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First West Yorkshire are making changes coming May which includes the 307 Blagden Farm circular being withdrawn and the 371 being cut back to Dalton. More information here:
https://www.wymetro.com/media/4538/public-transport-changes-ct-117-02.pdf


Sticking with West Yorkshire the Tour of Yorkshire diversion information is up on First Leeds’ site,
It states that the X84 will run to its normal Sunday timetable - clearly it won’t as they’ll be queues stretching from the top of Pool Bank to Hyde Park Corner / University in Leeds. https://www.firstgroup.com/leeds/ne...ned-changes/tour-de-yorkshire-2019-diversions

Meanwhile from Monday 29th April 2019, First York introduces a new hospital bus service numbered, or rather lettered, as HSB. Service HSB runs from Rawcliffe Bar Park and Ride to York Hospital and operates Monday to Friday: https://www.firstgroup.com/york/routes-and-maps/york-park-ride/york-hospital-park-ride

Service HSB Timetable:
https://www.firstgroup.com/uploads/node_images/york/hospital-bus-hsb-april-19.pdf

One thing I have noticed is that on the First York site are the tabs on the top left which clearly states York > Routes and maps > York Park & Ride > York Hospital Park & Ride. By putting “York Hospital Park & Ride”, it makes it sound as if another park and ride site has opened up which is clearly not the case as it will make it appear that the hospital car park has been converted to tourist use.
 

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There is a consultation that is ongoing until the end of March about the A629 corridor which runs between Halifax and Huddersfield. The said corridor is to see some improvements to the infrastructure, this includes:


Out of the three points mentioned, most stops along the route are equipt with LCD YourNextBus screens - these are bound to be replaced with new four level white LED displays (an example of such a display is on Burras Lane in Otley) and if introduced, could we be seeing the introduction of an X3?

Could an "X3" affect the Zest503? Such as three buses an hour are Zest503's and the other three are X3's - the frequency could more or less be the same apart from around West Vale which would see a reduction.

http://www.calderdalenextchapter.co.uk/projects/a629-halifax-huddersfield

https://www.yourvoice.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/a629_phase4
All this "improvement" is a sop to Huddersfield residents who are having more and more health services relocated to Calderdale hospital. If there was a real "Quality Bus Corridor" (i.e. one which isn't at the whim of a private operator) I could see it working. However what will likely happen is lots of publicity for 6 months or so, with buses all branded for the route... before the inevitable traffic jams at the bottom of Salterhebble hill lead to service cuts again... but all those services that have moved to Calderdale hospital will stay there.

With regard to the 371, Dalton was the terminus for this route historically. Both First and Yorkshire Rider before them tried to extend this service to Kirkheaton and/or Upper Heaton with limited success.
 

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First York is getting a makeover by the looks of things. I wonder if York are getting coloured front ends for its city network?

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49/50/50A starting to see the Leeds City brand being rolled out. Think I spotted 4 or 5 yesterday mainly on 49 duties!
 

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