• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Railway General Knowledge.

Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

hexagon789

Veteran Member
Joined
2 Sep 2016
Messages
15,775
Location
Glasgow
Maybe a 100mph speed limit?

Very close, so I'll give it to you on that.

In the early 1930s Milwaukee Road mainline from Chicago to Milwaukee had a linespeed of 75 mph. From 1935 the Hiawathas began running and a maximum of 90mph was allowed on curves with 1 degree of cant (the outer rail on curves was raised from 2.5 to 3.5 inches in 1934 to achieve this), straight track was officially unrestricted (the timetable required running in excess of 100 for most of the route to maintain booked timings.

At Rondout, and many other locations, large warning signs were erected reading: "REDUCE SPEED TO 90" for these 1 degree-canted curves. At Rondout the limit applied over the 'interlocking', the on the level crossings with another railroad.

By 1944, many of these restrictions were removed with the cant on the 90mph curves raised to 4 inches, and in that year the interlocking at Rondout was fitted with Electric facing point locks, this finally allowed 100mph over the interlocking and the removal of the warning signs at Rondout.

Your floor :)
 

AndrewE

Established Member
Joined
9 Nov 2015
Messages
5,096
Correct: built by George Stephenson between Bolton (& its cotton mills) and the Leeds & Liverpool canal, opened 2 years before the Liverpool and Manchester Railway with locomotive-worked level sections and 2 inclined planes.
Your floor...
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
Knowing little of Norfolk other than its reputation, I'm mildly surprised it has a hill large enough to warrant a tunnel. :P

Is it something silly like being below the water line?
 

Peter Mugridge

Veteran Member
Joined
8 Apr 2010
Messages
14,817
Location
Epsom
There's a tunnel on the Bure Valley line isn't there, so is it that it's narrow gauge track through a tunnel built for a standard gauge line?
 

martinsh

Established Member
Joined
27 Jan 2011
Messages
1,743
Location
Considering a move to Memphis
There's a tunnel on the Bure Valley line isn't there, so is it that it's narrow gauge track through a tunnel built for a standard gauge line?

You've got the right tunnel so I'll give it to you - it's called Aylsham Bypass Tunnel

The unusual features I was looking for (any one would have done)

1) it's on a miniature railway
2) it was only built recently (c1990 when Bure Valley opened)
3) it replaced a level crossing

Your diveunder ..
 

Peter Mugridge

Veteran Member
Joined
8 Apr 2010
Messages
14,817
Location
Epsom
Thank you. I hadn't realised it was a new-ish tunnel, though!

Here's a very easy one:

Which London station appears to be underground but is in fact at street level?
 

steevp

Member
Joined
25 Jul 2012
Messages
245
Thanks - the oldest known photo of a railway locomotive was taken when and of what?
 

steevp

Member
Joined
25 Jul 2012
Messages
245
My source suggests that it is the UK. For the avoidance of doubt, I will take the liberty of rewording the question slightly "the oldest known existing photo of a railway locomotive was taken when and of what?" - I was really looking for decade for the date
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
Don't panic: that was a blind poke to get the question rolling again, not any insider knowledge.

Though photography was developed around the birth of the railways, I can't recall seeing anything but etches, sketches and paintings of the opening of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway. Similarly, the Britannia Bridge, opened in 1850, was all documented in ink (iirc).

Yet by the 1860s, I know of pictures of major railways in South Wales, and of sod-cutting ceremonies for little branch lines, so it was becoming commonplace by then. Later still, by the turn of the century, railways were taking photographs of new stock in the workshop for their own records!

On that evidence I'll suggest that the first photo was in the 1850s. Guessing where would be like sticking a pin in a map, though.
 

AndrewE

Established Member
Joined
9 Nov 2015
Messages
5,096
I have cheated, so I won't answer properly, but I looked at Fox-Talbot and got 1845, and not the sort of locomotive most people would think of first though.
 

steevp

Member
Joined
25 Jul 2012
Messages
245
That is good answer Krus - 1851 at the Great Exhibition. Apparently it was a Crampton 4-2-0 called "Folkstone" (sic) but I didn't expect anyone to get the loco. Your cabless museum piece of an open floor sir
 

AndrewE

Established Member
Joined
9 Nov 2015
Messages
5,096
That is good answer Krus - 1851 at the Great Exhibition. Apparently it was a Crampton 4-2-0 called "Folkstone" (sic) but I didn't expect anyone to get the loco. Your cabless museum piece of an open floor sir
The one I found by cheating was a Fox-Talbot picture taken in 1845 of a model of what looks like a 2-2-2 broad-gauge GWR loco. It could even be 5" (or 7 1/4") gauge live steam! https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detai...gine-c-1845-positive-salt-news-photo/90729163
It's definitely a loco...
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
Interesting, it seems that Folkstone was gazzumped!

I have a question prepped, but I left my notes at work. Do you have a question ready to go in the meantime, steevp?
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
In the absence of a reply from steevp, here's the next question:

What do the following railway stations have in common?
  • Pembrey & Burry Port
  • Bodorgan
  • Whitchurch (Cardiff)
  • Prestatyn
  • Clunderwen
(Note that the fact they're Welsh stations isn't important, this group could equally contain stations from England or Scotland. I just stuck to the Welsh ones as I'm more familiar with them.)

I'll add another station to the list for each incorrect guess.
 

Welshman

Established Member
Joined
11 Mar 2010
Messages
3,019
Is it something to do with trains having to reverse in and out to access a branch line?
Trains for the Dyserth Branch used a westwards-facing bay at Prestatyn and reversed just outside the station to gain the branch.
Trains for the Rosebush Branch used a bay at Clunderwen and reversed out to gain the branch.
I'm not sure of the other three though.

Or, if I'm allowed a second attempt, could it be that the name of the station changed since opening?
Bodorgan was Trefdraeth; Clunderwen was Narbeth Rd
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
Nothing to do with reversing.

You're a bit closer to the mark with your second attempt.

Other stations that are in the same "group" include Deganwy and Kidwelly.
 

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,305
I suppose it isn't something so absurdly straightforward as: all the station names listed, begin and end with a consonant; but, with Deganwy and Kidwelly (especially with Welsh-language presence in the picture) -- would "y" count as consonant, or vowel?
 

Welshman

Established Member
Joined
11 Mar 2010
Messages
3,019
Your later examples have set my mind wondering - Are they between the town/settlement after which they are named and the sea or wharf with which that settlement is associated?
Therefore needing a level-crossing near the station for access between the two? (In the case of Prestatyn that crossing has now been substituted by a bridge over the railway)
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
I suppose it isn't something so absurdly straightforward as: all the station names listed, begin and end with a consonant; but, with Deganwy and Kidwelly (especially with Welsh-language presence in the picture) -- would "y" count as consonant, or vowel?
The names of the stations aren't relevant. Remember that the fact they're Welsh stations isn't important: I could equally add tens of English or Scottish stations to the list (but I'd need to spend time checking which ones first).

Your later examples have set my mind wondering - Are they between the town/settlement after which they are named and the sea or wharf with which that settlement is associated?
Therefore needing a level-crossing near the station for access between the two? (In the case of Prestatyn that crossing has now been substituted by a bridge over the railway)
Glad to see that I'm triggering some deep thinking, but I'm afraid that level crossings and/or water access don't come into it.

Reposting the (expanded) list of stations:
  • Pembrey & Burry Port
  • Bodorgan
  • Whitchurch (Cardiff)
  • Prestatyn
  • Clunderwen
  • Deganwy
  • Kidwelly
And now adding:
  • Llanrwst North
  • Cefn-y-Bedd
  • Caersws

 

EbbwJunction1

Established Member
Joined
25 Mar 2010
Messages
1,565
Well, I've consulted Mr W Pedia about some of these stations, and I think that I know the answer.

I'll leave it to others to have a few more guesses before I offer my theory, though, given that I've done some research.
 

Top