London Travelcard Code for Fujitsu Star Station Ticket Machine

Puffing Devil · 16 Feb 2019

My local station ticket office staff are very helpful and co-operative in finding and issuing cheaper tickets and splits for my travel.

I called in this morning to get a couple of tickets and they were unable to issue a London Travelcard (Adult + Child with F&F) as their old code (0035?) no longer worked and they could not find the ticket.

Any clues on a magic number to enter to bring up an Off-Peak Travelcard in their system?

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causton · 16 Feb 2019

If that code doesn't work, god knows what they were doing as it hasn't changed!

Origin - London Terminals (or whatever you want as an outboundary)
Destination - London Zones 1-6 (which is still 0035)
Ticket Type - Off - Peak Day Travelcard (ODT)
Route - 00000 Any Permitted or 01000 Full Stop (Any Permitted)
Status - FAM for Family & Friends Railcard

Not sure how that can be messed up, well done STAR :lol:

Puffing Devil · 16 Feb 2019

Thanks - possibly they've been using 0035 as the origin, and that no longer works?

alistairlees · 16 Feb 2019

0035 has never worked as an origin

island · 16 Feb 2019

London Terminals (1072) is not meant to be used as the origin of a Travelcard, it should be issued from a named station. Any one in the relevant zones will do; Strawberry Hill is my current favourite.

A Challenge · 16 Feb 2019

island said:
London Terminals (1072) is not meant to be used as the origin of a Travelcard, it should be issued from a named station. Any one in the relevant zones will do; Strawberry Hill is my current favourite.

Surely it should be the station it is being issued from?

Surreytraveller · 16 Feb 2019

A Challenge said:
Surely it should be the station it is being issued from?

Not if the issuing station isn't in one of the zones the Travelcard is valid for

CyrusWuff · 16 Feb 2019

If memory serves, KnowledgeBase says that if you're issuing an "in-boundary" Travelcard from outside the Travelcard Area you should specify the most appropriate station as the origin.

So if, for example, you were selling a Zones 1 to 6 Off-Peak Day Travelcard at Didcot Parkway, you should specify West Drayton as the origin as that's the first station on line of route within the zonal area.

One of the exceptions to the rule being Business Travel Offices selling Travelcard Seasons, where "London Corporate" should be used.

janb · 18 Feb 2019

island said:
London Terminals (1072) is not meant to be used as the origin of a Travelcard, it should be issued from a named station. Any one in the relevant zones will do; Strawberry Hill is my current favourite.

I follow the geographically closest instruction so with my customers coming from WCML I go with Hatch End for 1-6 and Kenton for 1-4.

Andrew Nelson · 18 Feb 2019

As an aside, does anybody know of a reason mainline TOCs can only issue upto zones 1-6, and not 7, 8, or 9?

mattdickinson · 18 Feb 2019

James Heck said:
As an aside, does anybody know of a reason mainline TOCs can only issue upto zones 1-6, and not 7, 8, or 9?

The standard for magnetic strip encoded tickets can only cope with six zones.

yorkie · 18 Feb 2019

James Heck said:
As an aside, does anybody know of a reason mainline TOCs can only issue upto zones 1-6, and not 7, 8, or 9?

I'm not sure what question you are asking; are you asking about how Travelcards with zones 7-9 included are issued, or are you asking why it's not possible to add those zones to other Travelcards?

Travelcards issued to Zones 1-6 from most origins in Zones 7-9 will include the additional validity in the route field. Dartford is a notable exception in that it can't be issued with additional zones due to the route field containing route restrictions relating to HS1

Zones 7-9 are not in boundary zones and were added relatively recently

To get a Zones 1-9 Travelcard from a National Rail TIS the origin could be somewhere like Amersham, Bushey etc and the destination is simply 0035. The route will be applied automatically to include the additional zones.

Andrew Nelson · 18 Feb 2019

yorkie said:
I'm not sure what question you are asking; are you asking about how Travelcards with zones 7-9 included are issued, or are you asking why it's not possible to add those zones to other Travelcards?

Travelcards issued to Zones 1-6 from most origins in Zones 7-9 will include the additional validity in the route field. Dartford is a notable exception in that it can't be issued with additional zones due to the route field containing route restrictions relating to HS1

Zones 7-9 are not in boundary zones and were added relatively recently

To get a Zones 1-9 Travelcard from a National Rail TIS the origin could be somewhere like Amersham, Bushey etc and the destination is simply 0035. The route will be applied automatically to include the additional zones.

I have never in probably 5 or more years found a National Rail Station Ticket Office or Machine that would issue more than to Zone 6.

Including Kings Cross, St. Pancras, Euston or any other.

You can certainly get them from LU Machines.

Andrew Nelson · 18 Feb 2019

mattdickinson said:
The standard for magnetic strip encoded tickets can only cope with six zones.

No, I have had them, just not from a National Rail Station.

MikeWh · 18 Feb 2019

James Heck said:
No, I have had them, just not from a National Rail Station.

TOC issued travelcards within zones 1-6 will always be maximum 1-6. If they are issued from the handful of stations in zones 7-9 then they will include zones 7-9 as an additional validity (apart from at Dartford as noted by yorkie). If they are issued from stations further out than zones 1-9 then they will again only include the zones 1-6 validity.

Andrew Nelson · 19 Feb 2019

MikeWh said:
TOC issued travelcards within zones 1-6 will always be maximum 1-6. If they are issued from the handful of stations in zones 7-9 then they will include zones 7-9 as an additional validity (apart from at Dartford as noted by yorkie). If they are issued from stations further out than zones 1-9 then they will again only include the zones 1-6 validity.

To, not from.

I'm starting in Yorkshire, GOING TO Amersham.

mattdickinson · 19 Feb 2019

From ATOC RSPS 3000. "RSP Ticketing Specification Magnetic Stripe Encoding"

4.6.5 Bits 79 – 74 (6 bits): Season Zones

These 6 bits indicate which of the original innermost 6 London Travelcard zones are included in journeys using this season ticket. There is no provision for any London Travelcard zones beyond 6. The following data items are used in the algorithm for setting this field:

1) The zone markers in the RJIS Location record for the DESTINATION_CODE. The fields are: LUL_ZONE_1 through to LUL_ZONE_6 to indicate the 6 original London Travelcard zones.

2) The zone markers in the RJIS Route record for the ROUTE_CODE. The fields are: UTS_ZONE_1 through to UTS_ZONE_6 to indicate the 6 original London Travelcard zones.

Whatever TfL do to encode higher zones is not recorded.

Puffing Devil · 19 Feb 2019

Bought them today from Crewe - no issue issues!

yorkie · 19 Feb 2019

James Heck said:
I have never in probably 5 or more years found a National Rail Station Ticket Office or Machine that would issue more than to Zone 6.

Including Kings Cross, St. Pancras, Euston or any other..

The destination on National Rail systems is always London Zones 1-6 (0035).

James Heck said:
To, not from.

I'm starting in Yorkshire, GOING TO Amersham.

If not coming back from AMR, you can buy a AMR - 0035 Travelcard; there is no requirement to use it from Amersham. The route states 'AAA Zones 7-9'

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