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Possible plans for Edinburgh Waverley station?

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I suspect that if you arrived into platforms 8 or 9 on a busy Virgin LNER or XC train and had to queue to get up to the overbridge before locating you departure platform, it might well take the best part of ten minutes.
 
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I remember having to catch a train from platform 7 (think it was for North Berwick), and we only had a few minutes. Took us ages to find it, and then the train was about half a mile away. Luckily the guard saw us running and waiting until we collapsed on it.
 

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I'm fit and strong and know my way around, but I still wouldn't fancy my chances of making a ten minute change with a pile of luggage from a busy VTWC train on P8 to a, say, Borders service on P1. It would be a bit stressful.
 

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I womder say if you had a connection from P18 to P7 and you missed it , your advance ticket would still be valid ?
 

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I womder say if you had a connection from P18 to P7 and you missed it , your advance ticket would still be valid ?

I don't know, but I would have thought that most departures from P7 would come under the "any reasonable connection" part of your journey. Scotrail aren't all that big on reserved places on specific trains are they?
 

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I don't know, but I would have thought that most departures from P7 would come under the "any reasonable connection" part of your journey. Scotrail aren't all that big on reserved places on specific trains are they?

Ive heard that the cheapest advances are reserved train but no seat . P7 is a common one for XC to depart from
 

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Ive heard that the cheapest advances are reserved train but no seat . P7 is a common one for XC to depart from

Oh really, I didn't know that (about XC). When we used P7 it was on something very much like a 1- or 2-coach Sprinter (sorry wasn't taking much notice at the time, and we were only going one stop). I thought the bigger IC trains went from the more visible main platforms, but I stand corrected.
 

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Yes, 8 is regularly used for long distance trains.. 11, the traditional InterCity platform, always seems to have Scotrail services. Whether things will change when 5&6 are operational, we'll see.
 

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Yes, 8 is regularly used for long distance trains.. 11, the traditional InterCity platform, always seems to have Scotrail services. Whether things will change when 5&6 are operational, we'll see.
If it helps at all the “theoretical” May platforming plans are up on realtimetrains, P5 and P6 are shown in regular use all day.
 

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Yes, 8 is regularly used for long distance trains.. 11, the traditional InterCity platform, always seems to have Scotrail services. Whether things will change when 5&6 are operational, we'll see.

The usable length of 11 is being shortened by the new 10-11 crossover, so it'll probably be used for ScotRail/TPE services now. I think it'll still be possible to use the full length but that would restrict capacity, so I don't imagine it'll happen very often.
 
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True on the west side, but as 8, 9 and 10 are through platforms, then the east side sequence going south is 7, 10, 9, 8.
I didn't think platform 10 was long enough to come between 7 and 9, if you see what I mean. At least not yet - maybe it can be extended at some future date.
Therefore the clockwise sequence looking from above would be ...5, 6 (once completed), 7, 9E, 8E, 8W, 9W, 10, 11, 12....
If you come in from Market Street I suppose it's quite good because you have island platforms 8, 9 and 10 in that sequence before entering the main concourse for everything else. Probably about the best they could do.
 

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The usable length of 11 is being shortened by the new 10-11 crossover, so it'll probably be used for ScotRail/TPE services now. I think it'll still be possible to use the full length but that would restrict capacity, so I don't imagine it'll happen very often.

Kings x HST the other day on 11 . Usually find myself over 8 and 9 for LNER though . Aberdeen services on 19 or 2 . Inverness bound LNER on 11 usually .

Had XC HST stop on 10 but its a shorter set . VTWC almost always hiding on 8 and 9 .
 

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Kings x HST the other day on 11 . Usually find myself over 8 and 9 for LNER though . Aberdeen services on 19 or 2 . Inverness bound LNER on 11 usually .

Had XC HST stop on 10 but its a shorter set . VTWC almost always hiding on 8 and 9 .

It's still being used for now, but once 5 and 6 are operational the new signals and crossover that shorten 11 will come into use. It's obviously sensible to wait until the full-length ICEC services have their own dedicated platforms before removing one of the few they can currently use.
 

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Don’t want to come across as over critical but surely they could’ve done a better job than that! Mix up of surfaces looks untidy
 

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Don’t want to come across as over critical but surely they could’ve done a better job than that! Mix up of surfaces looks untidy
Yes it’s quite odd, but especially that triangular section on the right. The frangible deck sections (that are behind the buffers) could probably have had tarmac in them, in fact that’s what the plans posted here last year showed. (Link in post #12)

Alternatively, is it a temporary phase so that they can open up the area to passengers and finish the paving slabs later?
 
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I really hope these new Platforms will be used by LNER south bound services, 8 & 9 can be a right pain at times with luggage!
 

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I really hope these new Platforms will be used by LNER south bound services, 8 & 9 can be a right pain at times with luggage!
That is exactly what RTT shows for the May timetable. Most (but not all) LNER services starting or terminating at Edinburgh are shown in P5/6, with a small minority using P8.
 

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I would imagine it’s permanent. It should look a lot better once the surface ages (look at the ground further up Platform 6 - that was only put down a few weeks ago). Could also be a cost-reduction measure if they’re planning the through platform idea in the near future.
 

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The section between the buffer stops and the tarred area actually has tracks underneath. If you look back over the pictures in earlier posts you will see what I mean.
Clearly it would only take a morning to erect the fence at the end of P6 and to tar the missing section at the bottom left. Unless the fenced-off area conceals other unfinished work, then it's as good as done. And unless ASLEF demand a full week's training over the use of the new tracks.
 

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Post on the Scot-Rail site states that P5 & 6 will be entered into operational use as of 04:45 tomorrow (Sunday 24/02).
Do you know if some LNER and XC services will begin using these platforms immediately from tomorrow or will they be lesser used until May?

Also is the gate-line still in the plan? You think they would have installed the fencing before finishing off the surface?
 

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Excellent. Only a couple of months late...

Does that mean that LNER will be using it from tomorrow, of just that NR have approved it for public use?
 

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The imminent opening date suggests that the people doing the flagstones have run out of time or materials and finish in time, so someone's slapped down some asphalt as a temporary measure. The shape of the paving that's there doesn't resemble any logical finished layout.
 
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